Jess Phillips appointed a minister to focus on tackling violence against women and girls and domestic violence.

I’m guessing you all came up through the feminism of the 80s, read a lot of Germaine Greer and refuse to believe the world has moved on without you

I love Jess Phillips and her podcast (Electoral Dysfunction) is a lot of fun and very informative, but in a different way to The Rest is Politics. Much more personal.

😂 yeah I’m angry that your ridiculous narrative has taken over mumsnet and that no subject can be talked about without first saying ‘well X doesn’t know what a woman is’.

I’m angry that you’re hijacking feminism and women’s rights by punching down to another more marginalised community.

I’m angry that you’re using exactly the same rhetoric that was used against gay rights 50 years ago.

And I’m definitely angry that you all seem to be too ignorant and in trenched to recognise all of this.

Hey - that Stalin. Mostly bad ey? But at least he knew what a woman was.

Yep. You’re right. So what about infertile women. What about women who have had a hysterectomy. Are they still women? Do they still experience discrimination based on still looking like they could get pregnant. What about trans women who look like they could also get pregnant? Trans women who can be raped. What about very masculine presenting women? Are they still women? Even if they don’t look like women?

Its nuanced. The whole thing. But you all reduce it down to how female presenting you are.

The phrase is just so utterly cliche at this point. According to your description, Putin ‘knows what a woman is’. Hitler ‘knew what a woman was’. The fucking Taliban ‘know what a woman is’. Have you not noticed that those who subscribe to your narrow definition are also the ones most likely to rape and degrade women, keep them barefoot and pregnant and earning less? I’ll take feminism that recognises trans women and also looks closely at domestic violence, childcare prices and parental leave.

“You’re all utterly insane” - from a clearly very angry poster

😂 yeah I’m angry that your ridiculous narrative has taken over mumsnet and that no subject can be talked about without first saying ‘well X doesn’t know what a woman is’.

I’m angry that you’re hijacking feminism and women’s rights by punching down to another more marginalised community.

I’m angry that you’re using exactly the same rhetoric that was used against gay rights 50 years ago.

And I’m definitely angry that you all seem to be too ignorant and in trenched to recognise all of this.

Hey - that Stalin. Mostly bad ey? But at least he knew what a woman was.

😂 yeah I’m angry that your ridiculous narrative has taken over mumsnet and that no subject can be talked about without first saying ‘well X doesn’t know what a woman is’.

I’m angry that you’re hijacking feminism and women’s rights by punching down to another more marginalised community.

I’m angry that you’re using exactly the same rhetoric that was used against gay rights 50 years ago.

And I’m definitely angry that you all seem to be too ignorant and in trenched to recognise all of this.

Hey - that Stalin. Mostly bad ey? But at least he knew what a woman was.

Blimey. You don't often get an almost full house of TRA bingo in just one post.
Impressive. 😂

Yep. You’re right. So what about infertile women. What about women who have had a hysterectomy. Are they still women? Do they still experience discrimination based on still looking like they could get pregnant. What about trans women who look like they could also get pregnant? Trans women who can be raped. What about very masculine presenting women? Are they still women? Even if they don’t look like women?

Its nuanced. The whole thing. But you all reduce it down to how female presenting you are.

Nope. I came on because Jess Phillips is an excellent appointment and I wanted to talk about that. But the echo chamber of the GC crowd around here makes me want to scream. You’re all utterly insane. And wrong. And it’s incredibly frustrating at the moment not to be able to jump on a politics thread without your cliche shite being trotted out.

100%

I'd challenge anyone on their views of being 'disappointed' by her abilities.

The amount pettifog created when someone supports women + trans rights. 🥱

Infertile women, like me, are women. Transwomen are not. It is deeply offensive when you conflate the two separate groups.

What you call a narrow definition of woman encompasses over 3bn human beings of the female sex.

Penis people are men, no matter how they identify.

Yep. You’re right. So what about infertile women. What about women who have had a hysterectomy. Are they still women? Do they still experience discrimination based on still looking like they could get pregnant. What about trans women who look like they could also get pregnant? Trans women who can be raped. What about very masculine presenting women? Are they still women? Even if they don’t look like women?

Its nuanced. The whole thing. But you all reduce it down to how female presenting you are.

I’m guessing you all came up through the feminism of the 80s, read a lot of Germaine Greer and refuse to believe the world has moved on without you

Really? VAWG should only focus on females. If there is a concern regarding violence against transwomen, then their specific situation needs to be dealt with in a specific manner. Or are you implying that VATW is exactly the same as VAWG? Including males who identify as women in the same category as females does neither demographic any good.

It’s not ironic at all. Check who’s in your camp. Those who hold to a very narrow view of what a woman is, tend to also be those who subscribe to a very narrow definition of what a woman can do.