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A question of context: Where does Anneliese Dodds stand on gender?

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IwantToRetire · 09/07/2024 01:23

Labour’s women and equalities minister supported transgender people being able to declare their own gender.

Anneliese Dodds, who has replaced Kemi Badenoch, backed proposals that would have allowed anybody to acquire a gender recognition certificate if they wanted one.

Gender self-identification was official Labour policy under both Jeremy Corbyn and Sir Keir Starmer.

The now-Prime Minister only scrapped the policy after the backlash to Nicola Sturgeon’s failed attempt to introduce it in Scotland in early 2023 via the Gender Recognition Act.

Upon being appointed shadow minister for women and equalities in September 2021, Ms Dodds made it clear that she supported self-ID, which would revoke the existing requirement for a formal medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

In a speech at the Labour Conference, she said that a Labour government would acknowledge “that trans rights are human rights” and “reform the Gender Recognition Act to enable a process for self-identification while continuing to support the 2010 Equalities Act”.

Bridget Phillipson, the Education Secretary who is technically Ms Dodds’ superior as women and equalities minister, has also been an outspoken advocate of transgender policy reform.

In May, she accused Mrs Badenoch of loving “nothing more than a culture war” in response to the then women and equalities minister’s claim that some girls were getting urinary tract infections from not wanting to use gender-neutral lavatories in schools.

She also declined to commit to keeping the Conservatives’ new sex education guidance, which says that it should not be taught earlier than the age of nine and urges schools not to teach contested gender ideology.

“I do think it’s important that children have a wide understanding about their place in the world and understand that families come in different shapes and sizes, and understand issues around relationships,” Ms Phillipson told The Telegraph.

Last month, the MP for Houghton and Sunderland South suggested that Labour will also ditch guidelines banning children from being taught that there are more than two genders.

Asked three times if she would keep the ban or ditch it, Ms Phillipson refused to answer directly but said: “There are trans people within society and their existence should be recognised.”

She was also criticised for refusing eight times to answer whether a biological male should be able to use a women’s lavatory during a radio interview with LBC.

While Ms Phillipson will formally hold the women and equalities portfolio because it has to be held by someone of Cabinet rank, Ms Dodds will be the de facto minister and attend Cabinet.

Some extracts from a much longer article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/08/where-does-anneliese-dodds-stand-on-gender/

Can also be read at https://archive.ph/Z0stm

Worth remembering that following the GE, even if every over party voted against a Labour policy, Labour would still have a majority of 112 to get it through unchallenged.

A question of context: Where does Anneliese Dodds stand on gender?

Advocate for trans rights but defender of female-only spaces, how may the women and equalities minister’s views define her future policies?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/08/where-does-anneliese-dodds-stand-on-gender

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MarieDeGournay · 09/07/2024 10:50

Asked three times if she would keep the ban or ditch it, Ms Phillipson refused to answer directly but said: “There are trans people within society and their existence should be recognised.”

Of course there are trans people within society - but if I am reading the UK Census figures correctly, there are about 262,000 of them. I know the figures are contested, and as far as specifically identifying as 'trans', the figures are even smaller:

Around 48,000 people (0.1%) gave their identity as ‘trans man’ and another 48,000 (0.1%) gave their identity as ‘trans woman’.
2021 census: What do we know about the LGBT+ population? (parliament.uk)

So that's 96,000 people who positively identified as trans in the last Census. I'm scratching my head at the amount of noise about such a small group of people, so much so that I'm questioning if I've got the figures right - entirely possible, I've never been great with numbers, and I'm expecting some MNers to come on and patiently explain that I've misread a decimal point or something..

Please tell me if I've got it all wrong - is all this social, political and pedagogical turmoil really about 96,000 people?

The census figures:

  • The census question on gender identity was a voluntary question asked of those aged 16 years and over. The question asked “Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?”.
  • Overall, 45.7 million (94.0% of the population aged 16 years and over) answered the question.
  • In total, 45.4 million (93.5%) answered “Yes” and 262,000 (0.5%) answered “No”.
  • The remaining 2.9 million (6.0%) did not answer the question.
Gender identity, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)
bellinisurge · 09/07/2024 10:28

Sole reason I spoiled my paper. No regrets.

muddyford · 09/07/2024 10:19

I'm appalled that so many people, who are either biological women or have mothers, sisters and daughters who are, voted for a party that talks this sort of utter crap.

Wumblewimble · 09/07/2024 10:15

My MP is a woman's rights supporting conservative. I'll write to her so she knows what her constituents think.
who else could I write to? Given its labour who need to hear that self ID will be a disaster for women and safeguarding

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 09/07/2024 07:38

Well, we suspected as much from the giant human flip flop that is Starmer.

Unfortunately with labour's majority, this will likely walk through the commons. The lord's might hold it up a bit, hopefully. And public opinion is against it - hopefully Starmer will decide it's not a priority and kick it into the long grass for a bit, at least.

Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

hamstersarse · 09/07/2024 06:54

There are too many Labour Party members who are still firmly on the alphabet rainbow bus to back away now, but I think they also genuinely believe it.

during the election campaigning, many people seemed to think Starmer would “see sense” but it’s been obvious he won’t. He’s had ample opportunity to make clear statements about labours position for women and never has.

Self ID is coming, that much seems a done deal. I guess if you just watch the BBC / think that the BBC represents most people, you could be fooled into thinking that most people think Trans Rights are Human Rights, no debate.

Littlewhingingfucker · 09/07/2024 06:39

It's obvious which direction we are heading. Full self ID and shut up "biological women"
Not what we were hoping for, but it does mean that the labour party will be the undisputed owners of the mess they create. Should be interesting when they're trying for a second term.
As an aside, if they're going to call me "biological" can I call them "moronic"? Quid pro quo and all that.

Rightsraptor · 09/07/2024 03:15

I wish I knew what they mean by 'culture war'.

To me, it conjures up an image of people arguing over whether Mozart or Bach is the better composer.

How is girls being made ill by males being where they shouldn't be a 'culture war'? Or is this an indication of Dodds's failure to grasp the essentials here?

qwerty14 · 09/07/2024 02:30

Self ID here we come.
Ideological fools the lot of them.

lonelywater · 09/07/2024 02:17

well, that's not at all concerning in anyway. The appointment of Stephen Kinnock is another "nothing to see here" event. I dare say Starmer wants to hit the ground running and I suppose we should be thankful that the real headbangers such as Osbourne and Butler are nowhere near these positions but I suspect its about to get interesting very quickly.

IwantToRetire · 09/07/2024 01:29

This is the more forthright DM take:

JK Rowling launches a fresh attack as Keir Starmer appoints TWO women and equalities ministers... one who thinks trans women with penises can use female loos and another who said there are 'different legal definitions' for 'a woman'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13611639/JK-Rowling-launches-fresh-attack-Keir-Starmer-appoints-TWO-women-equalities-ministers-one-thinks-trans-women-penises-use-female-loos-said-different-legal-definitions-woman.html

JK Rowling launches a fresh attack on Labour's trans stance

In a surprise move, Downing Street revealed both Bridget Phillipson and Anneliese Dodds would hold the title in the new Government.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13611639/JK-Rowling-launches-fresh-attack-Keir-Starmer-appoints-TWO-women-equalities-ministers-one-thinks-trans-women-penises-use-female-loos-said-different-legal-definitions-woman.html

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