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Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post

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woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 08/07/2024 18:14

Fantsatstic news, Christina Dalcher has sucessfully managed to get this TRA fired from their job at Waterstones for X comment.

https://x.com/TillyLovesBooks/status/1810337926850445453?t=WABH0ieBQdnUtaQL5FVlyQ&s=19

Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post
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ChaoticCrumble · 11/07/2024 13:32

They're review bombing the author on Goodreads now. Despicable.

ArabellaScott · 11/07/2024 13:20

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 13:18

I walked out of the office a bit like the wtf, did that just happen?!

I hope that you wrote everything down and dated it? Please keep a record.

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 13:19

CrossPurposes · 11/07/2024 13:11

Do any of these people supporting Tilly know that Christina Dalcher has actually been cancelled?

Luckily for CD she has support and hasn't needed to become a lorry driver.

Cancelled how? I'd seen on her twitter I think that she had retired and wouldn't writing any more books, is that because of this?

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 13:18

ScrapeMyArse · 11/07/2024 13:11

Fuck them taking action against you. To describe talking about your lived reality as a woman as "baiting" is utterly discriminatory. They ought to be afraid of the action you could take against them.

I walked out of the office a bit like the wtf, did that just happen?!

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 13:18

CrossPurposes · 11/07/2024 13:08

"It's chestfeeding now" says a man. I'm sorry you have to put up with these people!

Edited

He got sacked and I'm no longer there so it all worked out well (not related to the Jk Rowling discussion either!)

ScrapeMyArse · 11/07/2024 13:11

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 12:39

Calling someone a transphobe? I've honestly no idea.

I'm very vocal in my day to day life about women's rights and equality. I had a conversation at work with a female manager, deputy male manager and myself. They were both talking about how JK Rowling should be cancelled and all Harry Potter related things withdrawn and films banned etc.

I asked what had she said and the male said she had some very old fashioned views that no longer had a place in society. I asked for specific examples of what she said. The female deputy said basically, she is saying that a transwoman will never be a woman. I said that she wouldn't, she would never have periods, never breast feed (male interrupted me and said it's chest feeding now) and never go through menopause etc.

Female Manager said she was going to shut the conversation down now as the company doesn't support transphobes.

I later got called into the office with both of them and they said they had had a discussion and because it was an informal chat over lunch and I wasn't aware, they wouldn't be taking further action against my transphobic behaviour and if I continued to bait them, there would be serious consequences.

It's quite nice to see Waterstones standing up against behaviour like this

Fuck them taking action against you. To describe talking about your lived reality as a woman as "baiting" is utterly discriminatory. They ought to be afraid of the action you could take against them.

CrossPurposes · 11/07/2024 13:11

Do any of these people supporting Tilly know that Christina Dalcher has actually been cancelled?

Luckily for CD she has support and hasn't needed to become a lorry driver.

CrossPurposes · 11/07/2024 13:08

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 12:39

Calling someone a transphobe? I've honestly no idea.

I'm very vocal in my day to day life about women's rights and equality. I had a conversation at work with a female manager, deputy male manager and myself. They were both talking about how JK Rowling should be cancelled and all Harry Potter related things withdrawn and films banned etc.

I asked what had she said and the male said she had some very old fashioned views that no longer had a place in society. I asked for specific examples of what she said. The female deputy said basically, she is saying that a transwoman will never be a woman. I said that she wouldn't, she would never have periods, never breast feed (male interrupted me and said it's chest feeding now) and never go through menopause etc.

Female Manager said she was going to shut the conversation down now as the company doesn't support transphobes.

I later got called into the office with both of them and they said they had had a discussion and because it was an informal chat over lunch and I wasn't aware, they wouldn't be taking further action against my transphobic behaviour and if I continued to bait them, there would be serious consequences.

It's quite nice to see Waterstones standing up against behaviour like this

"It's chestfeeding now" says a man. I'm sorry you have to put up with these people!

EatMoreFibre · 11/07/2024 13:00

I'm not sure that Guardian article comes across as they intended.

They quote both sides which makes Tilly's comments sound shrill and irrational, CD look dignified and the 500 authors laughably poorly informed.

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 12:43

Catmoobs · 11/07/2024 12:35

Authors ask Waterstones to rehire worker fired after tweet about gender-critical writer

”Over 500 industry professionals sign open letter to bookseller after employee’s post about ‘tearing up books’ by Christina Dalcher”

Again, why would you want to work for a company whose beliefs are so far from your own? Doesn't matter if your local store supports you, ultimately the polices and procedures are all the same and come from the same place.

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 12:39

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2024 12:30

Wouldn't that classify as defamation?

Calling someone a transphobe? I've honestly no idea.

I'm very vocal in my day to day life about women's rights and equality. I had a conversation at work with a female manager, deputy male manager and myself. They were both talking about how JK Rowling should be cancelled and all Harry Potter related things withdrawn and films banned etc.

I asked what had she said and the male said she had some very old fashioned views that no longer had a place in society. I asked for specific examples of what she said. The female deputy said basically, she is saying that a transwoman will never be a woman. I said that she wouldn't, she would never have periods, never breast feed (male interrupted me and said it's chest feeding now) and never go through menopause etc.

Female Manager said she was going to shut the conversation down now as the company doesn't support transphobes.

I later got called into the office with both of them and they said they had had a discussion and because it was an informal chat over lunch and I wasn't aware, they wouldn't be taking further action against my transphobic behaviour and if I continued to bait them, there would be serious consequences.

It's quite nice to see Waterstones standing up against behaviour like this

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2024 12:30

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 12:09

Femlandia is really good, I enjoyed it. All her books are.

I follow Tilly on Insta. I don't on twitter as I don't have it.

A few weeks ago she did a story/reel and it was her throwing a Christina Dalcher book into the bin and encouraging everyone to do the same because of the transphobic views of the author.

Then she did a story the other day naming the author and calling her hateful and that she had lost her job. She apologised to a publishing company that they still had to work with the author. This story was removed after 30 minutes, not the full 24 hours

She does a lot of book reviewing and receives advanced copies off publishers them encourages people to buy them from waterstones

I then found the authors tweets and have to say I don't disagree with any of them so I've since unfollowed Tilly.

Also, if Tilly believes Waterstones are supporting transphobic people, why the rallying of troops to get her her job back? She says everyone in her store supports her, that apparently people are going into warerstones in their droves to cancel their pre orders and are handing in letters and petitions. Why would you even want to work for this company if their values are something you are vehemently against?

If the author was in fact another employee and said she believes men shouldn't compete in women's sports and Tilly called her a transphobe, does she think there would be no come back or investigation?

Wouldn't that classify as defamation?

BezMills · 11/07/2024 12:23

She's a bit all over the place. Like some kid who hates their mum for getting grounded but still wants her pear all cutted up nicely.

BezMills · 11/07/2024 12:22

as far as I can tell she was a bit too successful in her attention-seeking and has therefore protected her twitter account to make a nice safe echo chamber

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/07/2024 12:19

What really irritates me is that these mediocre attention seekers succeed in getting attention off the back of more talented people.

YellowphantGrey · 11/07/2024 12:09

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 10/07/2024 21:09

I hadn’t heard of the author before and have just ordered two of her books - from Waterstones. Interestingly, Femilandia is out of stock, so it looks like I’m not the only one.

Femlandia is really good, I enjoyed it. All her books are.

I follow Tilly on Insta. I don't on twitter as I don't have it.

A few weeks ago she did a story/reel and it was her throwing a Christina Dalcher book into the bin and encouraging everyone to do the same because of the transphobic views of the author.

Then she did a story the other day naming the author and calling her hateful and that she had lost her job. She apologised to a publishing company that they still had to work with the author. This story was removed after 30 minutes, not the full 24 hours

She does a lot of book reviewing and receives advanced copies off publishers them encourages people to buy them from waterstones

I then found the authors tweets and have to say I don't disagree with any of them so I've since unfollowed Tilly.

Also, if Tilly believes Waterstones are supporting transphobic people, why the rallying of troops to get her her job back? She says everyone in her store supports her, that apparently people are going into warerstones in their droves to cancel their pre orders and are handing in letters and petitions. Why would you even want to work for this company if their values are something you are vehemently against?

If the author was in fact another employee and said she believes men shouldn't compete in women's sports and Tilly called her a transphobe, does she think there would be no come back or investigation?

Blackcats7 · 11/07/2024 11:59

I see the guardian have today published a very pro tilly piece and allows her to call the author a bigot completely unchallenged.

ChaoticCrumble · 11/07/2024 11:46

I just tried to post a link btw not anything (too) offensive :D

ChaoticCrumble · 11/07/2024 11:45

BezMills · 11/07/2024 10:00

welp, I tried to find any amazon affiliate link for Tilly Loves Books but came up blank. If anyone knows of such a thing, please @ me in the thread and I'll use it to support Tilly in her time of need, with my next amazon purchase.

I thought she had affiliate links to another book site but as I can't see her twitter any more, can't be sure.

Her linktree goes to an audiobook site if that's any help.

https://linktr.ee/tillylovesbooks

Am sure she's getting plenty of support for her difficult time in not succeeding to cancel an author without consequence

BezMills · 11/07/2024 11:00

People in the comments say all kinds of stupid shit. I think if Tilly was male, it would A be obvious and B all over Pink News etc coverage.

Datun · 11/07/2024 10:57

People in the comments are saying that Tilly is trans.

I didn't think that was the case?

TheCadoganArms · 11/07/2024 10:43

BezMills · 11/07/2024 10:17

Cry "TRANSPHOBE!" and let slip the dogs of social media war!

Said dogs have lost their bite in recent years and the battle cry of 'transphobe' or 'bigot' does not quite send people ducking for cover as it used to.

BezMills · 11/07/2024 10:17

Cry "TRANSPHOBE!" and let slip the dogs of social media war!

Helleofabore · 11/07/2024 10:03

I have since seen Tilly make further accusations against Christina along with a plea for people to not buy Christina's books.

This is hardly professional behaviour and I would be surprised if the tweet in question would be the only issue that Waterstones had concerns about.