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Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post

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woman2womanmeetswomanparrish · 08/07/2024 18:14

Fantsatstic news, Christina Dalcher has sucessfully managed to get this TRA fired from their job at Waterstones for X comment.

https://x.com/TillyLovesBooks/status/1810337926850445453?t=WABH0ieBQdnUtaQL5FVlyQ&s=19

Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post
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LibertyDuck · 08/07/2024 23:15

Riva5784 · 08/07/2024 21:07

There may be more to it than just that one tweet🤷‍♀️

Waterstones obviously aren't going to comment publicly on HR matters, but their side of the story might well be different.

This is what I think too, that it's been the last straw and/or a convenient reason to get rid of her.

outdamnedspots · 08/07/2024 23:03

Good.

Dalcher is an amazing author. Vox was fabulous.

Codlingmoths · 08/07/2024 23:02

Lovenothate · 08/07/2024 19:21

Sorry but you’re celebrating a trans phobic author getting someone fired for calling her out on her hate?!

it would be a very clear violation of her employment policy to decide off her own bat to toss out the books by an author. She wasn’t authorised to censor for waterstones. I think she’d have been fired no matter who the books were by. I disapprove of cancellation by social media but I don’t count it as that when someone’s post is ‘I’m breaking my employment policies at work hahahaaa’

wilteddandelion · 08/07/2024 22:57

Destroying books because you don't agree with the views of their authors is Nazi behaviour.

thestudio · 08/07/2024 22:56

Yes - a Stupid Good Girl.

Doyoumind · 08/07/2024 22:52

No one who works is allowed to get away with saying that kind of thing on social media.

I don't believe for a minute she's talking about her own books.

She seems rather stupid. Not only has she got herself sacked for airing her views on SM, she's created a video record of her stupidity, available to any future employer to find for the rest of her life.

lcakethereforeIam · 08/07/2024 22:40

Vox by Christina Dalcher is currently 99p as an Amazon kindle book.

It's currently 4*, I think shenanigans.

BlueFairyBugsBooks · 08/07/2024 22:39

I get sent books (and occasionally chocolate) to review. Mostly ebooks. Some of them have been awful
Some carry an overall message that I don't agree with. It's unlikely I actually know the political leaning/gender belief/religion/any other potentially divisive issue of the author because I SIMPLY DON'T CARE! I read because I love books.

Unless it's a book about religion/trans issue/politics then they are irrelevant.

I would never ever post that I was going to destroy a book. Even though some of them really shouldn't be published!

DeepGreenLeaves · 08/07/2024 22:37

DrBlackbird · 08/07/2024 22:01

God, so many do this. It’s a thing. But completely unhealthy IMO as it’s so performative, encourages young people to weirdly distance themselves from their emotions, and just no.

Also missing the point…

It's bad enough if young people do it, but by the looks of things this woman has a teenage daughter! Can you imagine being a teenager and your mum is filming herself crying for social media? No self respect.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 08/07/2024 22:36

I've just bought Vox by Dalcher. Love dystopian fiction. Well done Tilly for publicising Dalcher's books.

thestudio · 08/07/2024 22:27

FrancescaContini · 08/07/2024 22:06

Completely agree. Why would she own books by a writer she clearly despises?

I don't think she knew she despised the writer Grin.

She says in the first video 'when i discovered that she was a bigot' and in the tweet she says 'thanks for the heads up' which backs that up.

This semi-babyish, semi-fascist ideology says that reading a book/watching a film/admiring a painting means you have the same political views as its creator; I can well imagine that she had a panicked urge to demonstrate that she didn't know, honest, it was an accident Inspector, I would never.

alittleprivacy · 08/07/2024 22:24

I would feel really bad for her, losing her job for getting caught up in a 'righteous' twitter fight. I can understand how that can happen and losing your job is such a hideous outcome. Though I don't think Waterstones could really have done anything else. Except her sad video is designed to set the hounds on Dalcher. It's a last act of bullying/revenge.

DrBlackbird · 08/07/2024 22:21

She’s not alone. “How a Facebook Update Can Cost You Your Job”: News Coverage of Employment Terminations Following Social Media Disclosures, From Racist Cops to Queer Teachers is research on how hundreds of employees have been fired for their SM posts. Sometimes for posts completely unrelated to their work. Here the post was much closer to her work. Young people/all people need to be more aware of how SM comments transgress the personal/professional divide. Tilly has had a most painful lesson. If I were a publisher, I don’t think I’d send any more free books.

Edited to add that I’ve not heard of Dalcher but plan to buy her interesting sounding book. And bloody hell, of course a woman writing about the silencing of women is going to respond to an online silencing of her writing! What was Tilly thinking?

AstonScrapeNameChangeAgain · 08/07/2024 22:19

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/07/2024 22:17

They were sending a bookworm free books, and chocolate. All she had to do was post pictures of them on social media. And stay out of trouble........

i would just like to point out that i read a lot and would appreciate free books and chocolate and i would absolutely stay out of trouble on social media

<hopeful>

Likewise 😂

Schoolchoicesucks · 08/07/2024 22:19

They've hardly come out as GC.

They've acted because an employee has breached their employment conditions through her social media posts.

Her social media presence is all about her love of books, reading, authors, recommendations. All great. Apart from posting in support of preventing GC authors from being published, represented and posting about binning a GC author's books.

The irony that Tilly had (years ago) highlighted Dalcher and her book, Vox, about the literal silencing of women. And now calls her spiteful and little known. When Tilly was the one speaking up for silencing of GC (women) authors.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/07/2024 22:17

They were sending a bookworm free books, and chocolate. All she had to do was post pictures of them on social media. And stay out of trouble........

i would just like to point out that i read a lot and would appreciate free books and chocolate and i would absolutely stay out of trouble on social media

<hopeful>

lechiffre55 · 08/07/2024 22:12

OK in defense of the book woman who got fired, if you scroll down her twatter you see her giving lots of thanks to publishers who it looks have sent her free books to read. Including one very savvy publisher who bunged a chocolate bar in the box with the book. She also buys books, and reads profusely. It is possible for her to have ended up with books from an author she ideologically hates.
I think it's still inappropraite for someone who loves books so much to behave so appalingly towards an author, but it's possible she had books by the author.

Those books are clearly sent to her to generate good PR for the publishers. The photos of books, bookcases stuffed with books, lots of reading, the chocolate bar. It's good PR. What isn't good PR is to engage in public bad behaviour on social media on the same account, and I think it might answer why she was fired after one bad tweet. The PR people sending the free books probably had a word with Waterstones. When you look at it like that it makes a lot more sense.

They were sending a bookworm free books, and chocolate. All she had to do was post pictures of them on social media. And stay out of trouble........

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/07/2024 22:08

Or are nazis not fascists?

i get confused

can i say fascist adjacent?

or maybe its the adjacent word 🤔

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/07/2024 22:07

Destroying books is what fascists do

fuck me don’t say that

i got deleted for saying nazi adjacent….someone out there really doesn’t like books!

OpizpuHeuvHiyo · 08/07/2024 22:06

Good news generally but this is waterstones being anti "employees thinking it's ok to destroy and dispose of company property that is supposed to be promoted and sold" rather than being specifically GC.

I wouldn't want anyone to lose their job just for believing in genderwoo nonsense but if the magic in your head makes you do something so abhorent something has gone really wrong.

Destroying books is what fascists do. If you aren't a fascist you counter ideas with other ideas that are better thought-through, better evidenced and more rationally-based than the ideas you disagree with. You do not destroy ideas by destroying books.

FrancescaContini · 08/07/2024 22:06

MumblesParty · 08/07/2024 21:57

She’s back pedalling. She wouldn’t have any of that author’s books.

Completely agree. Why would she own books by a writer she clearly despises?

alittleprivacy · 08/07/2024 22:04

ColinMyWifeBridgerton · 08/07/2024 21:54

Oh, wait -- this is what she now has to say about the situation:

"Just going to say one more thing before I switch off, aside from thank you to everyone who’s been so bloody kind. For the last time, the books were my own personal books, and I’ve never done anything but sell whichever books I was asked to in the shop."

I've only just realised she didn't say that she was going to throw away the books in her bookstore. In that case, no, not good. Companies shouldn't fire staff over implicature.

She used a social media account associated with her role at Waterstones to threaten to destroy an author's books. Regardless of whether or not she's talking about shop stock (which I honestly believe was the threat, though I don't believe she'd have done it) or her own books, he tweet was gross misconduct. Waterstones had to fire her. They also have a section in their contracts relating to conduct on social media that would make her firing watertight, legally.

Tinysoxxx · 08/07/2024 22:03

She must be feeling rough too because she announced she had Covid on the evening of 4th July and then travelled across France a few days later. The view is stunning from where she videoed.

Waterstones come out as GC and fire TRA for social media post
DrBlackbird · 08/07/2024 22:01

DeepGreenLeaves · 08/07/2024 19:55

I couldn't work out what had happened from the OP, so I clicked through onto Tilly's post. My phone started (silently, thank goodness) playing her weepy poor-me video. I mean... Who does that? I feel like I don't need to know anything more about this woman. When did it become normal to film yourself making a weepy sad-face speech and broadcast it to the world? She looks to be a grown adult... How does she go about life, thinking that is a normal way to carry on?

/Missing the point

God, so many do this. It’s a thing. But completely unhealthy IMO as it’s so performative, encourages young people to weirdly distance themselves from their emotions, and just no.

Also missing the point…

RufustheFactualReindeer · 08/07/2024 22:00

Did some sensitive little flower get upset 😩😩😩😩😩

good lord 😀

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