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Is calling 'people' 'folk' part of gender ideology rewriting language norms or is it separate?

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Gofastboatsmojito · 08/07/2024 13:26

I've noticed this a lot in the last couple of years, it seems much more common in articles broadly on board with GI, pronouns, using the word Queer to describe anyone not achingly boring.

I've also noticed it coming out the mouths of my friends who are more TWAW inclined.

The word 'people' doesn't seem to have explicit links with biological realism or gender critical beliefs but it seems out of fashion in some circles.

Is this coincidence and more related to younger trendier language (!) or is it chosen for a reason?

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AllProperTeaIsTheft · 08/07/2024 17:20

I'm obviously an outlier. I use 'folks' quite often, but am from the SE of England!

CaptainOliviaBenson · 08/07/2024 17:19

Tinysoxxx · 08/07/2024 17:16

How to people pronounce folx?
Does it rhyme with bollocks or blokes?

blokes.

CaptainOliviaBenson · 08/07/2024 17:18

CaptainMyCaptain · 08/07/2024 13:30

It's quite common in some areas (Northern) and has been for a long time. Your explanation wouldn't even occur to me.

This.

It's always been a common phrase where I'm from, (NW). You've heard the phrase "There's nowt as queer as folk"? I use it all the time.

CocoapuffPuff · 08/07/2024 17:18

Scottish here. If someone asked me " how are your folks?", they mean how are my parents and family. That's the usage here. Nothing trendy, woke or hipster about it.
Elsewhere, it clearly has different connotations. Much like the word "fanny".

Tinysoxxx · 08/07/2024 17:16

How to people pronounce folx?
Does it rhyme with bollocks or blokes?

Fourfurrymonsters · 08/07/2024 17:02

terryleather · 08/07/2024 13:31

I'm in my 50s and use folk all the time, always have.

I'm in Scotland and it's pretty common here - there's no connection with genderism in that respect although I know how much genderists love to use the term.

Absolutely agree (Scotland here too). It’s very common here. I’ve used it for decades and don’t give any further thought to it.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 08/07/2024 17:01

FuzzyPuffling · 08/07/2024 14:03

"Folks" and "folx" don't sound the same at all to me. Are they supposed to?
("Fokes" and "follks" is my closest approximation)

Yes, that’s how they’d sound to me too. I’m from Southern England.

DeanElderberry · 08/07/2024 16:55

'Folk' (yes, I've noticed it being used a lot by TRAs) is interesting in that until recently it got used not just as a variant on 'people' but specifically with a suggestion of 'kinsfolk'. Going to see your folks - there's a suggestion of something closer than just the neighbours, certainly something different from humanity en masse.

Which makes me wonder if using it is sometimes part of the whole 'chosen family' narrative, which has potential to get very sinister.

DappledOliveGroves · 08/07/2024 16:53

I see a lot of use of "folk" when talking about the trans community. It also seems to be the done thing to refer to trans and non-binary "kiddos". Not children.

Abhannmor · 08/07/2024 16:44

Well I really don't know y'all

JanesLittleGirl · 08/07/2024 15:38

Whenever I hear the word folk or folks, I immediately think of elves, pixies etc.

Yuope · 08/07/2024 15:34

I had a course where the instructor called everyone folks but spelt it folx in all the written stuff, which felt ridiculous

terryleather · 08/07/2024 15:31

AppleCream · 08/07/2024 15:10

I find peeps really cringe!

Hell yes!

GiveMeMySoddingCokeZero · 08/07/2024 15:28

Codlingmoths · 08/07/2024 15:11

I use folk because I’ve always read a lot and lived in different continents and because it’s a useful nice word that people everywhere use. For real you cannot make this assumption that someone using folks is a TRA!! There’s folk tales, the little folk, gentlefolk in modern and old speak (Shakespeare used it), I hear thanks folks in corporate speak at work in both hemispheres and multiple other common usages. Others on this thread refer to more.

I'm not making any assumption that an individual using folk/folks, whatever the context, is a TRA.

I'm saying that there are patterns of usage that are identifiably different in this particular group of British people (mostly young, mostly highly-online, involved in strongly American-influenced social justice movements and particularly those around gender ideology and trans rights) compared to the patterns of usage you see from other groups or from British people more broadly. (I can't comment on how their usage compares to usage in other countries, though.)

Noticing patterns of how a word tends to be used by one group compared to others doesn't mean claiming that this group always does this, this group always does that, and any time someone says x it means they're in this group. It means noticing general trends, tendencies one way or another, looking at how stuff seems to average out and how particular usages cluster.

If you think I'm claiming that the moment "folk[s]" falls from someone's lips, you can immediately and accurately assign them to a specific social group, then you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

Codlingmoths · 08/07/2024 15:11

GiveMeMySoddingCokeZero · 08/07/2024 14:03

Adoption of language trends signals group membership even if the language is largely unrelated to the common interest. These people aren't all using "folk"because they're from Northern England or Ireland or wherever; they're using it because their online community uses it. There wouldn't necessarily have to be any justification for it — just the fact that it's common among that group for whatever reason would be enough for people to adopt the usage.

Same as how (purportedly) British posters who talk about bathrooms when discussing public toilets are likely to be TRAs or TRA-adjacent. Because so many of the posters in their online communities are in the US, and the commonly-used term there is bathrooms, that's what they use, and British members naturally pick up on that language and start using it, not only through plain exposure, but also because it's natural to use the language that seems particular to the social group you consider yourself part of.

I use folk because I’ve always read a lot and lived in different continents and because it’s a useful nice word that people everywhere use. For real you cannot make this assumption that someone using folks is a TRA!! There’s folk tales, the little folk, gentlefolk in modern and old speak (Shakespeare used it), I hear thanks folks in corporate speak at work in both hemispheres and multiple other common usages. Others on this thread refer to more.

AppleCream · 08/07/2024 15:10

I find peeps really cringe!

Frenchie91 · 08/07/2024 15:05

I use folks at work as opposed to 'guys' - just trying to make a conscience effort to avoid male centric language.

Edit for context - London based creative industry profession.

Gofastboatsmojito · 08/07/2024 15:03

GiveMeMySoddingCokeZero · 08/07/2024 14:21

Also, to all those talking about the fact they use "folk" and "folks" and have for years, I mean yeah, I agree, it's a common existing word that's used in some places more than others and has existing connotations and usages.

But the specific usage in TRA communities is particular to them IMO, at least in the UK. It's often used in constructions like "trans folks" which are then used in sentences and contexts that I don't think would quite feel natural or idiomatic to speakers of most varieties of British English.

Like, I don't think that most British English speakers who would naturally say something like "Right folks, let's get going" or "Folk round here are fed up with the traffic" would necessarily write a sentence like "There are still challenges around access for disabled folks in the UK", which is more like the way TRAs and similar American-influenced social justice groups use it. Among those groups, "folk[s]" seems to be considered more acceptable in slightly more formal types of communication, and they also tend to have the "s" in contexts where most British speakers would omit it. I'm not saying that non-TRA Brits would never use "folks" like that, especially if they're speaking a regional variant where "folk" and "folks" are now common, but on average the TRA usage is different and reflects the online communities they're part of rather than their geographical location in the UK.

I think you've very neatly captured the different usages i hear, some of which sound colloquial to my ear (your first examples) and the other type which sounds jarring and deliberately avoiding the word 'people', or indeed 'guys'.

Guys is an interesting one, I've heard pretty strong arguments for and against it being used for a mixed sex group. I think overall enough women don't like it that its best avoided, but this seems to really rile some people.

I also like peeps

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EBearhug · 08/07/2024 14:57

Melroses · 08/07/2024 14:36

Yes that is true, but is was also used as the title of a widely influential television serial about the lives of gay people, centred around Canal Street in Manchester.

But the reason it worked as a title was because the phrase was spread well-known, so you have the play on words.

Gofastboatsmojito · 08/07/2024 14:57

RebelMoon · 08/07/2024 14:55

I'm another northerner who uses "folk" fairly regularly, even though I was once called pretentious on here for using it. Or at least I did until I read this thread, will think twice about using it now lest PEOPLE think I'm being woke rather than pretentious.

😂

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RebelMoon · 08/07/2024 14:55

I'm another northerner who uses "folk" fairly regularly, even though I was once called pretentious on here for using it. Or at least I did until I read this thread, will think twice about using it now lest PEOPLE think I'm being woke rather than pretentious.

AppleCream · 08/07/2024 14:53

I've noticed more people use "folk" recently. I thought it was to replace "guys" (ie using a male word to describe a mixed group of people), so I see it as a positive change.

GiveMeMySoddingCokeZero · 08/07/2024 14:50

Melroses · 08/07/2024 14:34

Folks is used in a more tribal context.

eg
"Folk round here are fed up with the traffic"

quoted from the post above would suggest that there is a general agreement and you and I are part of that group.

"People round here are fed up with the traffic is more formal, and more impersonal and can be used to suggest that you and I are not part of that.

Yep I'd agree with that. There's a lot of subtlety and nuance around word choice, and the same word can signify different things in different contexts and from different people.

SidewaysOtter · 08/07/2024 14:47

Being of Northern extraction, "folk" is a normal word to me. Usually said in a phrase such as "Folk don't know they're born!" or "There's nowt so strange as folk".

But the Wokerati amongst my acquaintance definitely use "folx" as a way of signalling their virtue referring to people of all gender persuasions. I see it as a useful warning that the content it's used in is likely to be absolute twaddle.

GHSP · 08/07/2024 14:46

I spent some pivotal years of my life in Norfolk.

I use folk quite a bit. I am not making any sort of political statement, just saying the thing that naturally comes next.