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Is calling 'people' 'folk' part of gender ideology rewriting language norms or is it separate?

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Gofastboatsmojito · 08/07/2024 13:26

I've noticed this a lot in the last couple of years, it seems much more common in articles broadly on board with GI, pronouns, using the word Queer to describe anyone not achingly boring.

I've also noticed it coming out the mouths of my friends who are more TWAW inclined.

The word 'people' doesn't seem to have explicit links with biological realism or gender critical beliefs but it seems out of fashion in some circles.

Is this coincidence and more related to younger trendier language (!) or is it chosen for a reason?

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PriOn1 · 09/07/2024 09:20

I find it really frustrating on Twitter as it has definitely been taken over by the so called “queer community” there.

There are times I would love to replace the word “people” for something shorter due to the strict constraints on the number of characters, but I never do because of the connotations.

In real life, living in Scotland, it’s always been widely used.

MadameMassiveSalad · 09/07/2024 08:00

Sounds really American to me.

ApocalipstickNow · 09/07/2024 06:38

I’m from Yorkshire, so it’s a familiar word, I don’t wish to stop using it.

It does seem to have come from the US use, so there’s people using it like they use words like bathroom for toilet, garbage for rubbish and so on. I like colloquial words. They feel like part of the history of our region.

I wouldn’t necessarily write it on an internet forum, just as I wouldn’t write tha’ rather than you, although I speak like that sometimes.

I like local dialects and I think it’s important we keep them alive.

As a previous poster has said, they way it’s used now, by people who have adopted this rather than been raised with these words I a separate thing.

IAlwaysTellTheTruthEvenWhenILie · 09/07/2024 06:19

As pps have said, folks is normal in Scotland and has been forever

Webbing · 09/07/2024 05:37

I've always heard it used in the context of something a bit mystical - as in a tale from folklore. We wouldn’t use that phrase “nowt as queer as folk” but to me listening to that phrase you are hinting that the person you are describing is one of the fairy folk.

emeraldisle.ie/the-fairy-folk

dollopz · 09/07/2024 03:05

Tinysoxxx · 08/07/2024 14:00

‘Guys’ for both sexes was the most popular a while back. When I was little, ‘guys’ was male.

Then I saw an email last year that guys should be replaced by folks, then another saying folx. Reason = because folx is more inclusive. The very next email from the same person said ‘hi guys’. I chuckled. It’s very rare to have hi folx, hi folks gets mentioned a bit, hi guys is still popular. I just say ‘Hello’.

Please send an intentional mistake.. hello forks or hello foxes

my dad used folks continually in the 70s 80s 90s, early 00’s

qwerty14 · 09/07/2024 02:58

It had all but died out in the UK but fashionable Leftists have re-imported it from America. There are examples of other words that completely died out here but are spoken in the USA like ‘fall’ for autumn.

Saschka · 09/07/2024 02:42

“Folk” I only really see Americans using it online, and I find it twee but harmless. Makes me think of “folksy”, and Southerners (“how’re all you folks doing?”)

Folx I agree is an abomination. It’s also rapidly falling out of favour (as with Latinx and BAME) as a bit try-hard.

orangalang · 09/07/2024 02:28

In NW England . And everyone has heard of folks tails and 'that's all folks' so we know what it means but I've never ever heard a person use that word

SammyScrounge · 09/07/2024 02:16

terryleather · 08/07/2024 13:31

I'm in my 50s and use folk all the time, always have.

I'm in Scotland and it's pretty common here - there's no connection with genderism in that respect although I know how much genderists love to use the term.

Same here.

GiveMeMySoddingCokeZero · 09/07/2024 01:04

Glengarrybell · 09/07/2024 00:16

I’m not sure, but I’ve noticed it too and find it incredibly annoying. I know there are people who have used it since forever (as in the saying nowt queer as folk) but when people on twitter use it it’s jarring. There are several of these that I find very odd, and am not sure why they have become popular. I think Obama maybe sparked the resurgence of the use of “folk”. The other one I’ve noticed is “black and brown bodies” to refer to people of colour, also referring “spaces” all the time. Y’all, as in teens not from southern states of the US saying “so tired y’all” is another one I find hard to accept as authentic.
Im sure it’s just a trend like most things but would like to learn more.

There was this Lancet cover, too, and for a while I was also seeing a lot of stuff that referred to "black birthing bodies".

I'm sure there's some rationale behind it, and an explanation for why it's better to discuss discrimination and harm perpetrated against bodies than people. Maybe some kind of Cartesian dualism based theory about the people we are not being exactly the same thing as the bodies we're in, or something along those lines. But as I haven't been offered the explanation, it just hits me as horrifically dehumanising.

Is calling 'people' 'folk' part of gender ideology rewriting language norms or is it separate?
Glengarrybell · 09/07/2024 00:16

I’m not sure, but I’ve noticed it too and find it incredibly annoying. I know there are people who have used it since forever (as in the saying nowt queer as folk) but when people on twitter use it it’s jarring. There are several of these that I find very odd, and am not sure why they have become popular. I think Obama maybe sparked the resurgence of the use of “folk”. The other one I’ve noticed is “black and brown bodies” to refer to people of colour, also referring “spaces” all the time. Y’all, as in teens not from southern states of the US saying “so tired y’all” is another one I find hard to accept as authentic.
Im sure it’s just a trend like most things but would like to learn more.

Throughahedgebackwards · 09/07/2024 00:01

This thread is really interesting and chimes with what I've noticed. But it got me wondering... I've always thought folk was plural (being a synonym for people - you wouldn't ever refer to a single folk). Is the s in the end an Americanism?

DinnaeFashYersel · 08/07/2024 23:58

Haveanaiceday · 08/07/2024 17:51

Having read the word folks so much in this thread I now have no idea how to pronounce the word.

It rhymes with yolk

fashionqueen0123 · 08/07/2024 23:42

YouBelongWithMe · 08/07/2024 23:05

Secondary teacher in Scotland here. We are encouraged to use 'folks' instead of 'guys' or gendered terms like 'ladies and gentlemen'. I associate it with woke nonsense (perhaps wrongly) so I call my classes all sorts instead: 'you lucky little ducks', 'you bunch of horrors', 'you noisy lot', etc.

I think I read something in the guidance for education on the gender topics being looked at currently (well before the election anyhow) about how that would be stopping and teacher should not be worried about using the wrong terms.

Marblessolveeverything · 08/07/2024 23:39

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/07/2024 23:15

@Marblessolveeverything

The word for a bunker or storage place is ‘Silo’. I can find no trace of a noun ‘sylo’ in English, although it is the name of a corporation quoted on the US stock exchange.

For someone who is currently issuing dictats on other posters’ language, you have some curious oversights, or should I say ‘over sites’?

Sorry if my dyslexia confused you. Ableist much?

RebelMoon · 08/07/2024 23:34

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen thank you, that's interesting.

fashionqueen0123 · 08/07/2024 23:31

Percivaleverett · 08/07/2024 13:53

I thought it was an American thing. Didn’t George W Bush use it all the time? I find it really annoying personally.

Yes! Glad it’s not just me who thinks of that!

I find it cringey when someone says it to avoid saying other words. Americans seem to get away with it it seems more natural when they use it?!

MyBirthdayMonth · 08/07/2024 23:30

Percivaleverett · 08/07/2024 13:53

I thought it was an American thing. Didn’t George W Bush use it all the time? I find it really annoying personally.

If I remember correctly, Dubya once referred to terrorists as 'those folks who are setting off bombs' or words to that effect.

clubcropicana · 08/07/2024 23:27

Yes, folk is woke

Bookery · 08/07/2024 23:26

CantDealwithChristmas · 08/07/2024 13:38

My understanding (from reading an infufferably woke lecture rant on this topic in 2020 - forgive me, it was lockdown, I was bored) is that 'folks' is preferable because it is seen as a reaosnably inclusive, gender neutral term.

Of course if you really want to be On the Right Side of History, you should say 'folx'.

'People' is a white supremacist word for some reason. It's more Progressive to refer to people as 'bodies' and to use 'Folks' or ideally 'Folx' as the vocative.

Obviously this is a US thing, only US west coast progressives would ever propose something this stupid. In the UK, as PPs have rightly pointed out, 'folk' has a long, separate and entirely politically neutral history as a word for 'people', from the Germanic Volk.

Even among US West Coast progressives, this is not a thing (in real life, at least) -- it's an extreme minority view typically seen in certain online spaces.

"People" is used without any problem and virtually no one would claim it's linked to white supremacy in real-life interactions.

fashionqueen0123 · 08/07/2024 23:26

Dinosaurlover · 08/07/2024 13:33

I've definitely noticed the link. I'm in the south and the people I know who are full on TWAW use 'folk' a lot. I've rarely noticed others using it.

Same. I don’t know anyone else who uses it.
It reminds me of George w Bush 🤣

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/07/2024 23:25

@RebelMoon

‘Handmaid ‘ has a long history , Atwood didn’t make it up. Gilead appropriated it from the biblical story of Abraham who had a child by his wife’s maidservant when his wife was ‘barren’. Handmaid has the connotation of being fairly low status within a complex household, probably without education or much self determination , but eager to please and ‘serve’ .

it is the term used by the Virgin in accepting her destiny as the mother of Christ

’Behold the Handmaid of the Lord. Be it unto me according to Thy Word’. Submission without question ( though that was in a nobler cause, and to a higher Being).

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 08/07/2024 23:15

@Marblessolveeverything

The word for a bunker or storage place is ‘Silo’. I can find no trace of a noun ‘sylo’ in English, although it is the name of a corporation quoted on the US stock exchange.

For someone who is currently issuing dictats on other posters’ language, you have some curious oversights, or should I say ‘over sites’?

Judystilldreamsofhorses · 08/07/2024 23:15

Scottish lecturer here, and always use folks - right, folks, today we are going to cover XYZ - at work. My place is as woke as woke can be, so finally I am (inadvertently) playing the game.