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Is calling 'people' 'folk' part of gender ideology rewriting language norms or is it separate?

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Gofastboatsmojito · 08/07/2024 13:26

I've noticed this a lot in the last couple of years, it seems much more common in articles broadly on board with GI, pronouns, using the word Queer to describe anyone not achingly boring.

I've also noticed it coming out the mouths of my friends who are more TWAW inclined.

The word 'people' doesn't seem to have explicit links with biological realism or gender critical beliefs but it seems out of fashion in some circles.

Is this coincidence and more related to younger trendier language (!) or is it chosen for a reason?

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NoughtsAndFuckingCrosses · 10/07/2024 15:31

CocoapuffPuff · 08/07/2024 17:18

Scottish here. If someone asked me " how are your folks?", they mean how are my parents and family. That's the usage here. Nothing trendy, woke or hipster about it.
Elsewhere, it clearly has different connotations. Much like the word "fanny".

Aye. That.

Also used in a ‘gather round folks’ way too.

I don’t care much for folx. Pretentious bolx is that.

Margesimpsonsbeehive · 10/07/2024 13:57

Gofastboatsmojito · 08/07/2024 13:26

I've noticed this a lot in the last couple of years, it seems much more common in articles broadly on board with GI, pronouns, using the word Queer to describe anyone not achingly boring.

I've also noticed it coming out the mouths of my friends who are more TWAW inclined.

The word 'people' doesn't seem to have explicit links with biological realism or gender critical beliefs but it seems out of fashion in some circles.

Is this coincidence and more related to younger trendier language (!) or is it chosen for a reason?

I think when used by people who believe in gender identity the spelling tends to be folxs and it is a trend that seems to have come from the US. I am not sure why the K was replaced with an X though, but as Mx is gender neutral I am guessing this is along the same lines, though I would have considered folk gender neutral also.

ilovesushi · 09/07/2024 23:37

I wondered about the use of this word. I have a colleague who is Northern who uses folk and folks a lot but in a conscious emphasised way. It doesn't feel quite natural. She doesn't say tara or love, so this one word sticks out.

Aussieland · 09/07/2024 20:16

I should imagine it’s more related to not wanting to use the word “guys” as many women do not like that. I think people on MN are really starting to dig harder to make everything about trans people 🙄

EinekleineKatze · 09/07/2024 20:09

terryleather · 08/07/2024 13:31

I'm in my 50s and use folk all the time, always have.

I'm in Scotland and it's pretty common here - there's no connection with genderism in that respect although I know how much genderists love to use the term.

This.
I'm (very) slightly younger, but 'folk' is a just another term used to refer to 'people' where I come from.

Marblessolveeverything · 09/07/2024 20:07

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 09/07/2024 20:00

Ah, I see. I find it highly offensive when people demand that I refer to my son as "she". But I, as an old man, don't count for anything in this brave world. He can call himself whatever he likes, but I don't accept that he can pressurise me to lie. I know that physical reality is that he is a man, and my worldview isn't based on gender stereotypes, so any "femininity" he displays is OK as a man.

I said no because noone has ever in real life asked me to. Even the two team people I work with.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 09/07/2024 20:00

Marblessolveeverything · 09/07/2024 16:28

No.

Ah, I see. I find it highly offensive when people demand that I refer to my son as "she". But I, as an old man, don't count for anything in this brave world. He can call himself whatever he likes, but I don't accept that he can pressurise me to lie. I know that physical reality is that he is a man, and my worldview isn't based on gender stereotypes, so any "femininity" he displays is OK as a man.

JanesLittleGirl · 09/07/2024 17:02

Folk meaning people in English usage stretches back to before the Norman Conquest. How do you think that Norfolk and Suffolk got their names?

PeppercornMill · 09/07/2024 16:47

I am suspicious when I see the term "folk" now, especially when the word "people" should be used in more formal settings.

This "folkx" or "folx" I think is the main part of it, getting people to say "folks" and then changing it to be "folx" when written down, basically changing people's language and communication without consent.

Marblessolveeverything · 09/07/2024 16:28

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 09/07/2024 10:43

Are sick of people policing the third person pronouns folks use about them?

No.

missshilling · 09/07/2024 13:36

EBearhug · 09/07/2024 13:20

I'd say:
folk like bloke
folx like blokes.

But as I cannot think of an occasion where I'd use folx, I don't think it matters how I'd say it.

My autocorrect isn't keen on folx either.

Before visiting this thread I had never heard of folx.

ScrambledSmegs · 09/07/2024 13:35

Folk/s is used a lot in YA Fantasy/Romantasy* literature, probably because it sounds more faux Olde Worlde than people. I've I never really stopped to think about whether it was influenced by current usage or has actually done the influencing. Considering the emphasis on 'queerness' (a big plus in the Romantasy world) and the incredible popularity of the genre I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit of both.

I'm not a Romantasy fan but some of my book club are, so I've read a few.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/07/2024 13:22

Zeugma · 09/07/2024 09:34

Surely 'folks/folx' in a gender context is driven explicitly by American usage - as is 'y'all', which now crops up all over the place in UK-based contexts and is most certainly not an English expression.

As is "guys" when used for both men and women. I really dislike it.

EBearhug · 09/07/2024 13:20

Tinysoxxx · 09/07/2024 11:57

I have lived in various different places in the U.K. and folk is common in some areas.
I have only seen folx written down so now after pronunciation research on Youtube I can conclude folx is not foll-ux like bollocks, as I previously thought. The x seems to change the sound of the o so, in my accent, you get:

folk like bloke
folx like sulks

This seems an apt way of remembering.

I'd say:
folk like bloke
folx like blokes.

But as I cannot think of an occasion where I'd use folx, I don't think it matters how I'd say it.

My autocorrect isn't keen on folx either.

Saschka · 09/07/2024 13:01

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 09/07/2024 10:38

I find cringe as an adverb really cringy.

It’s fine as an adjective though, right? Grin

gummigwer · 09/07/2024 12:36

MimiGC · 09/07/2024 10:52

I've definitely noticed the connection and also the use of 'kiddo' instead of child.

This is just another American thing. I use it alot

Tinysoxxx · 09/07/2024 11:57

I have lived in various different places in the U.K. and folk is common in some areas.
I have only seen folx written down so now after pronunciation research on Youtube I can conclude folx is not foll-ux like bollocks, as I previously thought. The x seems to change the sound of the o so, in my accent, you get:

folk like bloke
folx like sulks

This seems an apt way of remembering.

ProtectAndTerf · 09/07/2024 11:04

I noticed the use of "folks" and "folk" a lot in TRA contexts a while ago and pondered this.

I live in the North of England but don't really hear it in everyday use - I associate it more with my southern grandmother if spoken.
However online it does seem to be a word that's been imported back from the US and used in certain activist contexts.

I don't think there's anything sinister in it's meaning specifically, but it's widespread use in this context does irritate me - it sounds like such a twee, friendly word, then usually followed by some absolute dangerous twaddle. It's part of the wolf-in-sheep's-clothing (or should that be ewe's clothing?) faux-reasonable presentation of TRAs.

MimiGC · 09/07/2024 10:52

I've definitely noticed the connection and also the use of 'kiddo' instead of child.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 09/07/2024 10:43

Marblessolveeverything · 08/07/2024 17:52

Seriously you need to stop overanalyzing language like this.

Folks is used for generations as is kiddos. I am sick and tired of people policing language. All you are doing is alienating people into sylos.

Are sick of people policing the third person pronouns folks use about them?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 09/07/2024 10:38

AppleCream · 08/07/2024 15:10

I find peeps really cringe!

I find cringe as an adverb really cringy.

DeanElderberry · 09/07/2024 09:44

Of course 'Folk' was and is used in the north and west of insular Europe and got to America from Ulster with the 'Scots-Irish' who were such a significant influence, particularly in the ever-shifting physical frontier lands.

Folk music, the disciplines of folk life and folk lore studies have been around for over a century, as has the shadow 'discipline' that gets called 'fake lore'). But this current usage is slightly different - as I said upthread, it seems to shadow the idea of the 'chosen family' - whose most important feature is that it is not a family.

Dabralor · 09/07/2024 09:42

Also, I'm from Scotland where folk is used all the time.

I've literally just been standing in a queue of about 10 folk outside Boots waiting for it to open.

Folk is a plural term though - I've never heard Scottish people talk about folks.

Dabralor · 09/07/2024 09:41

US presidents often talk about folks. I think they think it will make them seem more relatable.

People often seem to use the word online when explaining about how to validate LGBTQ+ community - i've always interpreted it as a bit exclusionary and patronising. Sort of 'we are all folks together and you're just an idiot bigot Karen who needs things spelled out for them'.

I've got nothing against the LGBTQ+ community but don't think this prickly chippiness does them any favours.

Zeugma · 09/07/2024 09:34

Surely 'folks/folx' in a gender context is driven explicitly by American usage - as is 'y'all', which now crops up all over the place in UK-based contexts and is most certainly not an English expression.

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