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how do they represent the queer community?

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dacdser · 07/07/2024 11:19

A genuine question.
I don't get it.
Is the bride female and the groom male? If so, where's the queer element? I just don't get it.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/madeleine-gerrick-and-j-winkelried-wedding?utmsource=facebook&utmmmedium=social&utmcampaign=dhfacebook&utmmcontent=null&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3MzMIFxjciAM0hv1qRiLTt4FDe1R7rl3pfu8SzcfQ2HbHDZm5SC9CkAC0aemm6gG6tmBBvpT8ZshX-tV6w

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/07/2024 13:14

Topofthemountain · 07/07/2024 13:14

If a couple put their wedding in Vogue it will be criticised, such is the way of the world.

Yeah I laughed at "we're very private people" when they've put their wedding in Vogue.

Freysimo · 07/07/2024 13:14

I give it 18 months max.

Topofthemountain · 07/07/2024 13:14

If a couple put their wedding in Vogue it will be criticised, such is the way of the world.

dacdser · 07/07/2024 13:09

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/07/2024 13:07

What struck me is that the article claims it is illegal to say gay in schools in Florida (no idea whether this is true or not):

‘Welcome to Florida: the ultimate gay wedding destination!’ Even in a state where it is illegal to say the word gay [in schools], we knew it was important to celebrate ourselves and our love there because love will always win.”

And yet they don't use the word "gay" themselves. The masculine presenting one of couple could plausibly - in photos at least - be either male or female. So you have to know the LGBTQ+ lingo to understand that "trans masculine non binary person" means "female person who presents as male but uses gender neutral pronouns" to understand that they are both female and you are reading about a lesbian wedding. If you don't understand that, and you think you're reading about a heterosexual wedding where one or both partners identifies as "queer", you'd find the references to "feeling safe" as ridiculous and self indulgent.

It just seems like a step backwards to me. You're lesbians. Own it. Be proud. Isn't that what pride is supposed to be about?

Otherwise, it looks like they and their guests had an amazing time and good luck to them. If my parents owned a massive mansion in Florida and I had an unlimited wedding budget to spend on things like mini golf, themed cocktails and ornamental golden peacocks, I would probably get a bit carried away too.

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 13:06

dacdser · 07/07/2024 12:55

if you scroll back you you can see that I commented on how beautiful it looked. The question was about the use of language.
And yes, people on this board are critical
of unnecessary mastectomies. Having seen my Mum and sister endure them for breast cancer, the idea of having one for cosmetic/identity purposes offends me.

Everyone can see right through you.

You start off saying that you are posting a 'genuine question' 🥱 about how a male and female couple could be considered queer. This couldn't be further from the truth, you knew exactly what you were doing which is entirely evident from your subsequent posts.

Just step up, have some integrity and own it - as you're not being very clever at hiding your tracks.

You started this thread to provoke animosity towards people who are doing things differently in their lives to you, and you've got some people willing to join in with you, no surprises.

dacdser · 07/07/2024 12:55

if you scroll back you you can see that I commented on how beautiful it looked. The question was about the use of language.
And yes, people on this board are critical
of unnecessary mastectomies. Having seen my Mum and sister endure them for breast cancer, the idea of having one for cosmetic/identity purposes offends me.

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cupcaske123 · 07/07/2024 12:50

dacdser · 07/07/2024 12:46

hey @suggestionsplease1 you're on the feminism and gender board. I'm sure you can find a Stonewall forum for happy unicorn thoughts elsewhere...

What's so feminist about sniggering over a wedding?

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 12:49

dacdser · 07/07/2024 12:46

hey @suggestionsplease1 you're on the feminism and gender board. I'm sure you can find a Stonewall forum for happy unicorn thoughts elsewhere...

😂 FWR spends most of their time hand-wringing about freedom of speech.

Are you saying this only works one way? 😆

Cosmosforbreakfast · 07/07/2024 12:49

The language is confusing. Nothing unusual about a same sex wedding or a lavish wedding or many outfit changes.

dacdser · 07/07/2024 12:46

hey @suggestionsplease1 you're on the feminism and gender board. I'm sure you can find a Stonewall forum for happy unicorn thoughts elsewhere...

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suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 12:44

SoundTheSirens · 07/07/2024 12:27

I’m not the one implying lesbian weddings are somehow abnormal or indirectly advocating that having healthy breasts removed is a good thing, so take your childish sarcasm elsewhere.

Who exactly has implied that lesbian weddings are not normal?

Let's see this thread for exactly what it is; an excuse to make fun of and bitch about a couple on their happy day.

I can tell you right now, this couple couldn't give two hoots for the bitterness and malice that you or anyone has for them.

I imagine they are far, far happier than the people who see fit to devote their Sunday mornings to expressions of hatred and vitriol for people they have never even met. What a way to live a life eh?

dacdser · 07/07/2024 12:43

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 11:47

Wow what a lot of time people have to devote to bitterness on a Sunday morning 😂

not bitterness, just incredulity at the identitinarianism and language confusion

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heldinadream · 07/07/2024 12:37

Zeugma · 07/07/2024 12:32

I mistook this for an entry for Pseud’s Corner on first reading, but no. It’s in deadly earnest.

‘Being non-binary, I’ve always had challenges finding formal clothes that don’t make me feel like I’m in a costume. A few years ago, I came across the designer Emily Bode. I got a few pieces of hers and from the second I put them on, I had never felt so affirmed in my gender identity, which is something I’ve never experienced but had always been searching for.” They wore custom Bode shorts and a shacket made out of an unused army infirmary blanket to exchange vows.

Presumably they identify as a war-wounded soldier?
I have very few words to describe how utterly narcissistic I find this, all of it, but the shaket made of an unused army infirmary blanket just completely takes the biscuit.

DialSquare · 07/07/2024 12:35

I didn't read it and only looked at the photos but my first thought was it looks like a very expensive lesbian wedding.

My second thought was that I wouldn't mind being 2 bob behind the person who paid for it.

Zeugma · 07/07/2024 12:32

I mistook this for an entry for Pseud’s Corner on first reading, but no. It’s in deadly earnest.

‘Being non-binary, I’ve always had challenges finding formal clothes that don’t make me feel like I’m in a costume. A few years ago, I came across the designer Emily Bode. I got a few pieces of hers and from the second I put them on, I had never felt so affirmed in my gender identity, which is something I’ve never experienced but had always been searching for.” They wore custom Bode shorts and a shacket made out of an unused army infirmary blanket to exchange vows.

SoundTheSirens · 07/07/2024 12:27

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 12:15

Good for you!

Good for them!

Other people in the world are different, who knew!

I’m not the one implying lesbian weddings are somehow abnormal or indirectly advocating that having healthy breasts removed is a good thing, so take your childish sarcasm elsewhere.

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 12:15

SoundTheSirens · 07/07/2024 11:59

I’m not @AnnaMagnani but I don’t understand the thrust of this question. I’ve been to two lesbian weddings, very different in style and apparent budget (just as the straight weddings I’ve been to differed from each other in those respects) but there was no genderwoo, no medically-unnecessary mastectomy scars, no “non-binary identities” no claims to be pushing the boundaries of queerness…just two couples, who happened to be lesbian couples, pledging their love for each other in front of their families and friends.

Gay marriage is pretty well normalised these days, had that passed you by?

Good for you!

Good for them!

Other people in the world are different, who knew!

SoundTheSirens · 07/07/2024 11:59

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 11:45

How many 'normal lesbian weddings' have you been to, AnnaMagnani??🤔

I’m not @AnnaMagnani but I don’t understand the thrust of this question. I’ve been to two lesbian weddings, very different in style and apparent budget (just as the straight weddings I’ve been to differed from each other in those respects) but there was no genderwoo, no medically-unnecessary mastectomy scars, no “non-binary identities” no claims to be pushing the boundaries of queerness…just two couples, who happened to be lesbian couples, pledging their love for each other in front of their families and friends.

Gay marriage is pretty well normalised these days, had that passed you by?

ButtSurgery · 07/07/2024 11:51

J has clearly had a double mastectomy (scar on chest visible in photos before the tattoos a were added).

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 11:47

Wow what a lot of time people have to devote to bitterness on a Sunday morning 😂

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 11:45

AnnaMagnani · 07/07/2024 11:43

Isn't this a normal lesbian wedding with one femme and one butch?

Only now the butch one is non-binary.

How many 'normal lesbian weddings' have you been to, AnnaMagnani??🤔

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 07/07/2024 11:44

So: Very very rich gay Jewish woman marries non Jewish ( but beautiful ) woman after she has converted to Judaism ( only saying this as they bang on about it a LOT in the article). Marries in ther parents home/ synagogue in Florida, in spite of a bizarre claim that it is ‘illegal’ to mention the word ‘gay’ in that state (shom mistake shurely ) , and that New York is where they feel ‘safe’.

Wedding expenditure off the scale , minute details published in glossy mag , no worries about attracting attention even though the world is against you and makes you feel unsafe ….

Yep, it’s queer.

dacdser · 07/07/2024 11:44

AnnaMagnani · 07/07/2024 11:43

Isn't this a normal lesbian wedding with one femme and one butch?

Only now the butch one is non-binary.

yep. Butch, masculine presenting, non feminine presenting lesbians don't seem to exist anymore.

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dacdser · 07/07/2024 11:43

yeah, it does look like a beautiful wedding and they look happy but the mangling of language is confusing. Very.

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