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how do they represent the queer community?

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dacdser · 07/07/2024 11:19

A genuine question.
I don't get it.
Is the bride female and the groom male? If so, where's the queer element? I just don't get it.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/gallery/madeleine-gerrick-and-j-winkelried-wedding?utmsource=facebook&utmmmedium=social&utmcampaign=dhfacebook&utmmcontent=null&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3MzMIFxjciAM0hv1qRiLTt4FDe1R7rl3pfu8SzcfQ2HbHDZm5SC9CkAC0aemm6gG6tmBBvpT8ZshX-tV6w

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dacdser · 08/07/2024 15:58

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 08/07/2024 15:36

I'm GC as they come but I don't like this. It's a couple talking about their wedding, which looks glorious and very expensive. How they choose to define themselves is up to them. I may not think the way they do but it does not affect me. Why ridicule this couple to make your point?
Are they claiming to represent the entire gay community? Some really nasty comments on this thread.
I'm so glad my loved ones aren't rich enough to have their wedding written up in Vogue.

fair enough. I've reported my thread and asked Mumsnet to take it down. On reflection, I shouldn't have started it before reading the whole article and should leave my criticism of non binary etc away from specific people.
It was a beautiful wedding.

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FrancescaContini · 08/07/2024 15:57

”Being a queer couple and J being trans masculine non-binary…” 🤨

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 08/07/2024 15:36

I'm GC as they come but I don't like this. It's a couple talking about their wedding, which looks glorious and very expensive. How they choose to define themselves is up to them. I may not think the way they do but it does not affect me. Why ridicule this couple to make your point?
Are they claiming to represent the entire gay community? Some really nasty comments on this thread.
I'm so glad my loved ones aren't rich enough to have their wedding written up in Vogue.

FineThenLetsDance · 08/07/2024 15:17

dacdser · 07/07/2024 11:44

yep. Butch, masculine presenting, non feminine presenting lesbians don't seem to exist anymore.

😆😆😆😆

Garlickest · 08/07/2024 12:13

It looks like a brilliant wedding, and a very expensive one. (I idly wondered if the Winkelried parents prefer a transmasc nonbinary offshoot to a lesbian daughter.)

But, bloody hell, how did the nuptial couple find the time to attend their wedding in between costume changes?! I did actually like all their outfits - they had so very many!

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 08/07/2024 11:57

CocoapuffPuff · 07/07/2024 11:35

Didn't read the article as I like the brain cells I have left, but I'm guessing there's a whole loaf of main character syndrome bread, buttered with self indulgence margarine, and topped with a little frisson of gender jam.

They looked like they had a brilliant wedding day/weekend/week/whatever.

Edited

‘Liking the brain cells I have left’ is the best line I’ve read in a long time.

MarieDeGournay · 08/07/2024 11:54

SoundTheSirens · 08/07/2024 11:21

Then I apologise unreservedly for having misunderstood your comment. In my defence I had my menopause brain fog head on yesterday morning.

Absolutely no need to apologise, I hate it when people are snarky or snippy on here and I realise I may have almost strayed into that with my original post. So I'm sorry too. Let's draw a line under this outflowing of slight misunderstandings and mutual apologies. As we say in Ireland, 'sure you're grand!'SmileFlowers

Mrsjayy · 08/07/2024 11:43

SinnerBoy · 08/07/2024 11:36

I'm glad everyone else read the article, to save me the trouble!

Does anyone know what a shacket is? (My phone recognised the word...)

It's a shirt style jacket.

DialSquare · 08/07/2024 11:39

A shacket is a cross between a shirt and a jacket. So a lightweight type jacket that looks like a shirt.

SinnerBoy · 08/07/2024 11:36

I'm glad everyone else read the article, to save me the trouble!

Does anyone know what a shacket is? (My phone recognised the word...)

Mrsjayy · 08/07/2024 11:24

ghislaine · 07/07/2024 11:28

I think they are both female - at least that’s what I take J’s identity as “trans masc non-binary” to mean.

Yes they are both female. It's just all gobbledegook labels they are lesbians getting married.

SoundTheSirens · 08/07/2024 11:21

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 13:31

My question was about a 'normal lesbian wedding' involving 'one femme and one butch', which in my experience is not the norm.

Not much passes me by, certainly not gay marriageSmile

Then I apologise unreservedly for having misunderstood your comment. In my defence I had my menopause brain fog head on yesterday morning.

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 16:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/07/2024 13:33

I could be wrong but I think @AnnaMagnani was saying that this is a "normal lesbian wedding" in the sense that a biological woman is marrying another biological women, regardless of how either of them presents or what pronouns they use.

Fair commentSmile

dacdser · 07/07/2024 13:52

@suggestionsplease1

you said:

"So in that respect, just own it, you want to encourage a culture of hostility towards trans/ non-binary people."

That's what people have accused Dr. Cass of, encouraging a culture of hostility by questioning transgender ideology. Obviously that's a load of rainbow coloured shit because these days, anyone who criticises any single aspect of gender religion is considered a hateful transphobe. It's empty rhetoric when you can't offer an intelligent argument. (I notice you didn't say whether you'd read Cass or not, I assume you think she's an evil hate monger)
And when you ask me to own it: I didn't see two females getting married in the original photos, (I do now) but if you'd like me to
own my views on non binary, I will, happily.
It's a load of send indulgent, meaningless nonsense.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/07/2024 13:33

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 13:31

My question was about a 'normal lesbian wedding' involving 'one femme and one butch', which in my experience is not the norm.

Not much passes me by, certainly not gay marriageSmile

I could be wrong but I think @AnnaMagnani was saying that this is a "normal lesbian wedding" in the sense that a biological woman is marrying another biological women, regardless of how either of them presents or what pronouns they use.

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 13:31

SoundTheSirens · 07/07/2024 11:59

I’m not @AnnaMagnani but I don’t understand the thrust of this question. I’ve been to two lesbian weddings, very different in style and apparent budget (just as the straight weddings I’ve been to differed from each other in those respects) but there was no genderwoo, no medically-unnecessary mastectomy scars, no “non-binary identities” no claims to be pushing the boundaries of queerness…just two couples, who happened to be lesbian couples, pledging their love for each other in front of their families and friends.

Gay marriage is pretty well normalised these days, had that passed you by?

My question was about a 'normal lesbian wedding' involving 'one femme and one butch', which in my experience is not the norm.

Not much passes me by, certainly not gay marriageSmile

ifIwerenotanandroid · 07/07/2024 13:28

'I love that being queer allows us to both experience the magic of a proposal. We think everyone should have that!'

I didn't read the whole thing so - how is this any different to what everyone does? Did they each propose to the other?

DH & I both experienced the magic of a proposal. After living together for several years & telling everyone we'd never get married, we were lying in bed on a Sunday morning & I said to him, "I've been wondering if we should get married," & he said, "I've been thinking the same thing," & that was that. Magical enough that I still remember it, over 40 years later (& still together).

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 13:27

dacdser · 07/07/2024 13:18

@suggestionsplease1 gender ideology is toxic and cultish in the way it pulls prospective new recruits in, going into schools for fucks sake. Have you read the Cass review? If not, why not?
Do you believe in child safeguarding?
Do you believe in the coerced use of incorrect pronouns to validate someone's rainbow identity?

I expect you and I will disagree on a lot of things and I'm not going to get into it on a thread where your bad faith approach is so manifestly obvious.

There are a lot of people out there that may have concerns about many different things but they are not starting snide threads to encourage sneering, hostility and vitriol towards a couple of their wedding day.

So in that respect, just own it, you want to encourage a culture of hostility towards trans/ non-binary people.

If you wanted to actually discuss issues you could have started a non-personal thread to do that.

You didn't do that, you posted a 'genuine question' 🥱 that was actually a ruse to encourage the expression of ridicule and hatred to a couple on their wedding day. Just own it.

SquirrelSoShiny · 07/07/2024 13:23

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 13:15

It's not for shits and giggles for me. It's deadly serious.

It is my friends and my community that is on the receiving end of this hatred, this normalising of ridicule towards them and this increasing antipathy that is seeping into all areas of their lives. It flourishes as a result of threads like these.

And I will be next in line of course. Everyone should know the prejudice does not start and end with trans people, it migrates stealthily to gay and lesbian people, make no mistake.

I understand your concerns and it is the saddest part of allowing Stonewall to false team T with LGB. I have family and friends who are lesbian and gay who lived quiet lives with their partners and spouses with complete acceptance.

The utter narcissists driving the TQ+ agenda have no shits to give about about LGB or truely trans people. When the pendulum swings they will quietly disappear into the woodwork and the LGB will pay the price.

It is time for LGB to stop being kind and call for a divorce from this forced marriage.

TWETMIRF · 07/07/2024 13:23

Yes, it's so homophobic for the TQ+ to say that lesbians should be open to doing dick. No wonder the LGB people I know want nothing to do with pride and the so called LGBTQ+ community, it's deeply regressive.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 07/07/2024 13:22

Zeugma · 07/07/2024 12:32

I mistook this for an entry for Pseud’s Corner on first reading, but no. It’s in deadly earnest.

‘Being non-binary, I’ve always had challenges finding formal clothes that don’t make me feel like I’m in a costume. A few years ago, I came across the designer Emily Bode. I got a few pieces of hers and from the second I put them on, I had never felt so affirmed in my gender identity, which is something I’ve never experienced but had always been searching for.” They wore custom Bode shorts and a shacket made out of an unused army infirmary blanket to exchange vows.

Send it in. You might get a tenner.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 07/07/2024 13:20

suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 13:15

It's not for shits and giggles for me. It's deadly serious.

It is my friends and my community that is on the receiving end of this hatred, this normalising of ridicule towards them and this increasing antipathy that is seeping into all areas of their lives. It flourishes as a result of threads like these.

And I will be next in line of course. Everyone should know the prejudice does not start and end with trans people, it migrates stealthily to gay and lesbian people, make no mistake.

Maybe the TQ+ community should stop making the LGB community look ridiculous.

dacdser · 07/07/2024 13:18

@suggestionsplease1 gender ideology is toxic and cultish in the way it pulls prospective new recruits in, going into schools for fucks sake. Have you read the Cass review? If not, why not?
Do you believe in child safeguarding?
Do you believe in the coerced use of incorrect pronouns to validate someone's rainbow identity?

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suggestionsplease1 · 07/07/2024 13:15

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It's not for shits and giggles for me. It's deadly serious.

It is my friends and my community that is on the receiving end of this hatred, this normalising of ridicule towards them and this increasing antipathy that is seeping into all areas of their lives. It flourishes as a result of threads like these.

And I will be next in line of course. Everyone should know the prejudice does not start and end with trans people, it migrates stealthily to gay and lesbian people, make no mistake.

MotherFeministWoman · 07/07/2024 13:15

It's a fluff piece in a vapid magazine.

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