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'Biological essentialism'?

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BenjiCat · 06/07/2024 17:09

I'll start with thanking wise Mumsnet contributors. I've learnt so much about women's rights, single sex spaces and transgenderism by lurking in the background of these boards.

I've (unwittingly) gotten into the 'debate' with a friend and looking for your support. He shared a news article about single sex spaces and this being an 'attack on trans' and the argument that 'men already exist in women's spaces' and it's not a problem.

I felt I couldn't hold my tongue and challenged this. I said single sex spaces (e.g. rape crisis, healthcare, intimate care, prisons) are incredibly important for women due to trauma, safeguarding etc. and that 98% of sexual crimes are committed by men. I also pointed to recent issues. For example, the communal mixed sex toilets in schools and reports of sexual assaults on girls. Also the 26 nurses taking the NHS to court for being forced to share changing rooms.

He didn't address my specific points above other than to say 'of course there should be women's spaces, but transwoman need healthcare and support too'. I also felt like he was simply trying to 'gotcha' me by saying 'you think transwoman are pretending to be woman'. It basically resulted in me being labelled a 'biological essentialist' 😔

I don't have enough knowledge of feminism history to challenge this point about 'biological essentialism' - but it doesn't sit right with me being labelled as this. I'm not saying people are destined to certain characteristics and traits, but being female is innate and our needs should be considered.

I'm seeing him soon and I know it will come back up in conversation. Wise Mumsnetters help me challenge this!

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parietal · 06/07/2024 17:43

I think bioessentialism means sex and gender are perfectly aligned and should determine social roles. So women are childbearing and should therefore stay home to look after babies while the men hunt and earn money or whatever.

It is import to argue that sex is unchangeable but sex does not determine your role in society or your job or your intelligence. Hence, gender critical feminism rejects bioessentialism because we reject fixed gender roles and all the gender stereotypes that go with them.

Wear what you want, work where you can get hired but you can't change sex.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 06/07/2024 17:41

Understanding biology is important, essential even. Anyone who pretends the difference between males and females is not vitally important under some circumstances is either stupid or cruel. I wouldn't waste any more time on him.

quantumbutterfly · 06/07/2024 17:40

He is the one with the thinking problem and is silencing you with his disapproval.

There is nothing inherently insulting in his choice of words but the interpretation that he has used them as an insult.

I have taken to using the phrase womanface. Being a woman is not a costume, in many parts of the world it must feel like a life sentence.

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/07/2024 17:39

Some people use the phrase ‘biological essentialism' to describe the thinking that because women can have babies then that is what nature designed them to do and that should be all that they do - be mothers and housewives and nothing else.

I would say your friend is using a term that he doesn’t understand or that he thinks refers to the fact that mammals have two sexes and, for some reason, he thinks that humans are different to every other mammalian species in some way 🤷‍♀️

Feminism (of many different types) recognises the unique ability of women to be able to give birth but it also argues for women to be given choice to control their own fertility and to live their lives as they see fit i.e. working mother, stay at home mother, not a mother at all.

PriOn1 · 06/07/2024 17:37

If “Biological essentialism” means understanding that women are adult human females and men are adult human males and that swapping between those two is not possible, then I’m a biological essentialist.

Understanding science and maintaining boundaries for women is not something I will ever be ashamed of.

Mochudubh · 06/07/2024 17:37

Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with the term, it's just fact. I'd simply agree, "Yes, I believe in biological reality" and see what he comes back with.

nutmeg7 · 06/07/2024 17:36

It’s just words. Your ‘friend’ is using it as an insult. But, until you understand what he means by it, you can’t really engage with the insult or defend yourself.

Ask him what he means by the phrase.

I don’t imagine he will be able to articulate it particularly well as it’s just a sort of dog whistle phrase.

You can think that what makes someone make or female is physical and biologically based without believing that your biology (sex) determines your potential, ability, and value to society.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/07/2024 17:34

And I strongly suspect if he’s straight he wouldn’t challenge his thinking enough to sleep with a TW because he knows damn well they’re men too

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/07/2024 17:32

But trans women are pretending to be women

they are not actually women because they can’t be because they’re men - it’s the literal qualification

honestly if he says that as a kind of gotcha just say yes you’re right they are pretending to be women. It’s true! They are!

BenjiCat · 06/07/2024 17:32

@EdithStourton possibly. It was definitely being used as a dig followed with imploring me to 'challenge my thinking'!

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EdithStourton · 06/07/2024 17:27

To me, being a 'biological essentialist' means believing that only women have periods, babies and the menopause, and only men have cocks and balls. One can't become the other through some magical transubstantiation of chromosomes.

There's nothing in that about believing that a woman has to like pink, wear high heels, can't add up and must prefer making cupcakes to mending bicycles.

Mebbe it means something different in critical theory circles.