Which supermarkets can GC women shop in? Not Tesco it seems.

The expectation that you treat trans women as women is not the law. The Forstater judgment gives EA2010 protection to people who believe in biological sex and don't believe in genderism.

As long as you're not abusive to trans people, you can express your belief in biological reality at work.

It’s not the law that men should be treated as women in all circumstances, whatever Stonewall and the lobby may say. Single sex spaces are perfectly legal and not discriminatory - they are just not mandatory.

Re the last comment - I disagree - one man clearly identifiable as the cleaner by the customer and shop - is very different from all comers.
A man who is clearly identifiable is less likely to commit an offence. In my experience male cleaners in public loos are polite and unobtrusive. A young relative did this for a while as a student. He was told to leave the loo immediately if an unaccompanied child came in and to keep an eye on the door to check for men entering the ladies loo!
I’ve never felt threatened. That’s very different from any strange man at all having access.

Well I believe that is the law, protected characteristic and all that. If they officially allowed their staff to misgender for example a trans person, they could get into a lot of trouble.

It’s the thin end of the wedge - do you not think women and little girls are entitled to privacy and dignity?

Sorry meant to quote @Kaleds

Why not do something productive with your obvious high amount of free time like volunteer at a food bank or women’s shelter? Do you really think toilets are an issue?

This post absolutely sums up the problem we face:

1. Women’s dignity is completely unimportant.
2. The idea that it’s only the 0.1% that will politely use our toilets. Other male pervs, deviants, criminals and opportunists will not take advantage of that loophole at all…

Silly argument.

His employer will know who he is and what shift he's working.

He's not some random bloke who's just walked in.

The last public ladies toilet I was in - a few days ago - had a man in it. He was the cleaner. So ultimately, a free-for-all wouldn't make much difference really!

Wouldn’t it be great if the world was run for women and children - just a little bit? The overwhelming majority of supermarket shoppers with young children are still women. Would it kill them to e.g. stick in a plastic stool for little people, have at least one bigger than average cubicle and safe single sex facilities or a lockable family loo?
The practical problem with ‘anyone who fancies using it’ toilets is that most woman with a toddler and a baby in pram will feel uncomfortable leaving the door partially open with pram stuck in it or visible from inside to use loo herself or assist small child to do so. Not everyone has childcare.
Additionally, given the drive to push menopause products and awareness ( see huge increased profits from meno vitamins etc), might be nice of retailers to recognise the physical consequences for women including flooding - a bit of privacy from the opposite sex please.
It is depressing how far society bends to accommodate the desires of a small group of men over the safety, privacy and dignity of women and children.

You are actually right, I DO have bigger problems. However, the 40 mins thing indicates you think everyone goes from home to supermarket and back again. Some of us do more with our day. 9/10 I nip into the supermarket after being on the go for hours, to grab the shop before I go home. I'm sorry you have nothing else to do.

Clearly Kaleds is a bloke unfamiliar with what women have dealt with forever in public life, the urinary leash. It’s funny how there are accounts that wait to swoop in on any dissent from the TWAW or “we just want to pee” nonsense. Almost as if it was a plan.

I do 🙋 I'm often out longer than 40 minutes. I use the tesco cafe sometimes where I have a drink, which makes me need to wee. My son is 3 and when he needs to go he needs to go. I'm not prepared to let him wee himself in my car on the way home.

Hopefully you realise how ridiculous your comment is.

@AbraAbraCadabra

I often have to use supermarket toilets. As do children, the elderly, people with incontinence issues or other disabilities. Or just people caught short. That's why they have them!

Where I live, supermarkets don't even have toilets. None of them - they simply aren't designed that way. Once doing a supermarket shop, I can't go to the toilet. I just have to wait. Be glad they're there, I guess?

OMG …I regularly need a piss whilst out and about…I have never looked at the door rules beforehand 🤷‍♀️

I often have to use supermarket toilets. As do children, the elderly, people with incontinence issues or other disabilities. Or just people caught short. That's why they have them!

You're nice 🙄

I have a few medical conditions that mean sometimes i have to pee frequently.

Even if I didn't I'm often out for more than 40mins to do a supermarket trip.

E.g.
My local big Tesco is a 15 min walk away. Obviously it's 15 mins home again. That's 30 mins before I've even shopped.

I have to take DS to college. On a weds he's only in for 2 hours. College is the other side of town, near the "other" big Tesco. The bus can take anywhere between 30mins-1hour. Usually my mum picks him up on a weds so I bus there and straight back. Occasionally she can't, and it's not worth me coming home again in that time. So I have 2 hours to kill in tesco/Tesco cafe.

I use the toilets most weeks.

The Maya Forstater ruling means that your gender critical beliefs are protected under the Equality Act. They shouldn't be able to fire you for refusing to sign on the basis that this requirement conflicts with your belief. Your union should support you, but I think most unions are captured so might not be of much help.

This makes it easy for employers to break the law.

Hmm. Maybe those "problems" are having a heavy period or being pregnant or having a bladder infection or having IBS or any other gut or urinary tract disorder that increases urgency or maybe just getting on a bit or even something as simple as having more to do with your day than go to the supermarket straight from home and then go back home again.

Women in all those situations should be able to use the toilets without men around, if they don't want men around.

And OP is referring to Tesco staff toilets and shifts are a lot longer than 40 minutes.

It's the principle of the thing not the change of running into a bloke. The fact they think women don't deserve single sex facilities.

I try and avoid places where these flags appear as I am simply not interested and feel it's a sort of brainwashing. People are entitled to their views and tbh I now am quite willing to give mine publicly.

Tesco Diversity training includes the expectation that you treat trans women as women or you are discriminatory and at risk if losing your job.
You are obliged to do this training and sign to say you agree with it if you want to work there.
As a woman I feel this puts me in a difficult position.