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Which supermarkets can GC women shop in? Not Tesco it seems.

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invisibleoldwoman · 06/07/2024 14:59

I try my best to boycott/avoid the worst offenders eg M&S, Costa.

I think I have been deluding myself that Tesco has not gone down the self-id path or only in a limited virtue signally manner. Very little 'rainbow' visibility locally or on the main or local websites. Now I discover that their official policy is that their staff and customer toilets are unisex. Everyone can choose whatever toilet they want. But, in my store on a recent visit, this isn't made obvious, eg signage, and they certainly haven't redesigned the toilets to allow proper privacy, eg fully enclosed cubicles with integral wash basins.

Here are the details - see Victoria Smith @glosswitch on X

All the major supermarkets are represented in my general area, albeit at a distance. Sadly Tesco is the nearest. Can anyone recommend the best one to support in terms of legal compliance with the Equalities legislation and some semblance of concern for women and children's safety and privacy?

There was a thread recently discussing who we are boycotting generally but I can't find it. If anyone has a link that would be helpful.

I can't easily find how to email the CEO of Tesco, the head office, or my local store. So I think I will have to work up to visiting locally and try to speak to the local manager.

Which supermarkets can GC women shop in?  Not Tesco it seems.
Which supermarkets can GC women shop in?  Not Tesco it seems.
Which supermarkets can GC women shop in?  Not Tesco it seems.
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Christinapple · 07/07/2024 23:24

If it's that big a deal to you (the tiny chance you will knowingly encounter a trans woman in the bathrooms who is there to pee same as you and has no interest in you whatsoever) then just order your groceries to be delivered to you?

The new PM has recently said he isn't going to change the equality act to bar trans women from using women's facilities (and the same for trans men), so this isn't going to change any time soon.

StormingNorman · 07/07/2024 23:07

Shop where you want and pre at home.

duc748 · 07/07/2024 23:06

You'd think a massive co like Tesco would have run that past their lawyers first, though.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2024 22:57

Everyoneesleistheproblem · 06/07/2024 23:15

Tesco Diversity training includes the expectation that you treat trans women as women or you are discriminatory and at risk if losing your job.
You are obliged to do this training and sign to say you agree with it if you want to work there.
As a woman I feel this puts me in a difficult position.

Is this legal? Mightn’t this sign that TWAW or you can’t work here requirement be discriminatory against a person with a protected belief that a transwoman is not the same sex as a woman, and that women ( and men) are supposed to have sex based lavatories?

Notamum12345577 · 07/07/2024 22:25

OldCrone · 07/07/2024 11:26

This isn't what's under discussion. Treating so-called 'transwomen' as women would include accepting them coming into the women's toilets. She should be able to say that she doesn't agree with this and refuse to sign that she will treat so-called 'transwomen' as women in all circumstances.

Belief in biological reality is protected.

my comment was in answer to the person who was talking about Tesco sacking staff if they don’t agree with their training etc

duc748 · 07/07/2024 13:57

Perhaps they've started putting them in 'new build' premises. But this is a classic case of 'if it ain't broke..." isn't it? For decades, we've had a system that worked tolerably well: toilets marked Gents and Ladies. Obviously it could be abused, but by and large... And now the consensus seems to be to change to various different arrangements, all of which seem to suffer from the flaw that they are worse for women than the 'old' way. Biggest laff is, it's called 'progressive'. 🙄Supermarkets in particular, whose customers are mostly women anyway, need to be told that women don't want this.

OldCrone · 07/07/2024 13:49

duc748 · 07/07/2024 13:05

Don't Aldi and Lidl solve the problem by not having public toilets at all? I've never seen a branch that had them.

My nearest Lidl has one. I think it's just one fully enclosed cubicle though.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2024 13:18

WyrdyGrob · 07/07/2024 12:48

Omg get a grip. Who actually uses supermarket toilets anyway? If you can’t go 40 mins without needing to have a wee, then maybe you’ve got bigger problems than bumping into the 0.1% of the population

alexa, show me what a luxury belief looks like

Indeed. Thanks for capturing this now that it is deleted.

I think this and the post telling us that it is not productive of our time to ensure that women and children have spaces they feel safe in during their every day life outside of emergency services to be great examples of people who have little awareness and knowledge outside of their own belief system. That these posters feel they have some kind of moral superiority to come and attempt to shame others for caring about this issue is all that needs to be seen really.

Operation: Let them speak in action.

Maybe this video will show how ignorant it is to lecture women on what they should and shouldn’t need.

Here is just one of the critique videos from somebody who I have not heard of but is just one of the now many videos about this ad.

The Unsaid Says A Lot

3 in 4 trans and gender diverse people have been treated unfairly because of their gender identity. Each silent gesture, every unspoken word, carries weight....

https://youtu.be/aoh690u9IgQ?si=SYt3Xbf5pcrlo4li

invisibleoldwoman · 07/07/2024 13:13

duc748
Don't Aldi and Lidl solve the problem by not having public toilets at all? I've never seen a branch that had them.

Some Aldi stores do. One near me does. Don't know about Lidl. Google says some do.

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duc748 · 07/07/2024 13:05

PriOn1 · 06/07/2024 22:07

I use Aldi. There was no Pride paraphernalia, their prices are low and their products are good. That said, I prefer small supermarkets with fewer products, so if you love hypermarkets, my local Aldi wouldn’t be for you. I haven’t checked their toilets though as it’s only ten minutes from my house.

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Don't Aldi and Lidl solve the problem by not having public toilets at all? I've never seen a branch that had them.

WyrdyGrob · 07/07/2024 12:48

Omg get a grip. Who actually uses supermarket toilets anyway? If you can’t go 40 mins without needing to have a wee, then maybe you’ve got bigger problems than bumping into the 0.1% of the population

alexa, show me what a luxury belief looks like

turnipsarelush · 07/07/2024 12:39

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That's really rude. Lots of people have issues that mean they may need the loo at short notice. Don't be so bladder/bowelnormative

Brefugee · 07/07/2024 12:04

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nice ableism there. Well fucking done.
slow handclap

indignantpigmy · 07/07/2024 12:04

Kaleds · Yesterday 21:43
Omg get a grip. Who actually uses supermarket toilets anyway? If you can’t go 40 mins without needing to have a wee, then maybe you’ve got bigger problems than bumping into the 0.1% of the population.

The most common cause of urinary incontinence in women is childbirth injury and menopause, something a TW won't experience or understand.

Sleepersausage · 07/07/2024 12:02

Everyoneesleistheproblem · 06/07/2024 23:15

Tesco Diversity training includes the expectation that you treat trans women as women or you are discriminatory and at risk if losing your job.
You are obliged to do this training and sign to say you agree with it if you want to work there.
As a woman I feel this puts me in a difficult position.

What does 'treating them as a woman' actually mean when it comes to a supermarket that would be difficult for you? Surely just treat them as normal customers, no need to gender anyone and last I knew woman don't go around greeting each other with a pat on the vagina so no need to be exposed to any penises

Helleofabore · 07/07/2024 11:56

Peonies12 · 07/07/2024 10:29

Why not do something productive with your obvious high amount of free time like volunteer at a food bank or women’s shelter? Do you really think toilets are an issue?

And why do you think the women using the food banks and the shelters will never appreciate the ability to have single sex spaces in place? Do you think that women using those services will just have to then forget having single sex spaces in the places they work (now or in the future) or where they go when out in public?

Perhaps you have a rather narrow view of what women and children need shaped by your own political priorities rather than a view to current reality and the future needs of the people who think you are advocating for. If you really are focused on only advocating for women and children that is.

334bu · 07/07/2024 11:45

Why not do something productive with your obvious high amount of free time like volunteer at a food bank or women’s shelter? Do you really think toilets are an issue?

Who do you think is volunteering at the food banks? Mine is GC central.
Oh by the way men are not welcome in female toilets.

invisibleoldwoman · 07/07/2024 11:44

Last time I visited the loos in my local Tesco they weren't marked gender neutral. Just the usual women/men. Not sure if there is an accessible one. There are also wider issues for me concerning the treatment of staff, Particularly given the recent publicity given to nurses who are expected to share their changing rooms and loos with male staff and have been harassed by abusive men. One has been sacked for complaining and a group are suing the NHS. Also, Tesco are not being clear about their policy to customers. So I will follow it up. Thanks to all the people who have taken the time and trouble to clearly explain why this issue is important.

It seemed clear that Tesco want to make it as difficult as possible to complain about anything except particular topics. I found this thread Tesco Complaint from 2023 and it seems nothing has changed.

Most toilets in larger public spaces, shops/motorway service stations etc put out a notice saying a male cleaner is or might be in attendance. It is a question of consent.

Meanwhile I have been trying for a while to reduce my reliance on supermarkets for other reasons. So I will up my game with this.

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WickedSerious · 07/07/2024 11:32

BlueEyedLeucy · 07/07/2024 10:25

The last public ladies toilet I was in - a few days ago - had a man in it. He was the cleaner. So ultimately, a free-for-all wouldn't make much difference really!

Oh my god.

Why has no one else thought of this??????

OldCrone · 07/07/2024 11:26

Notamum12345577 · 07/07/2024 11:07

Oh yes, but isn’t purposely calling people by a gender that is different to what they chose, or by a different name than they chose, considered abusive?

This isn't what's under discussion. Treating so-called 'transwomen' as women would include accepting them coming into the women's toilets. She should be able to say that she doesn't agree with this and refuse to sign that she will treat so-called 'transwomen' as women in all circumstances.

Belief in biological reality is protected.

IPartridge · 07/07/2024 11:15

I have used toilets in Sainsbury's Tesco Waitrose and Morrisons recently. None were marked gender neutral.
They were the usual men's and women's.

Notamum12345577 · 07/07/2024 11:07

OldCrone · 07/07/2024 10:53

The expectation that you treat trans women as women is not the law. The Forstater judgment gives EA2010 protection to people who believe in biological sex and don't believe in genderism.

As long as you're not abusive to trans people, you can express your belief in biological reality at work.

Oh yes, but isn’t purposely calling people by a gender that is different to what they chose, or by a different name than they chose, considered abusive?

GenerousGardener · 07/07/2024 11:07

Popped into Sainsbury's yesterday. Used the loos, they are not gender neutral. Ladies, Men’s, baby changing with loo inside.

Helleofabore · 07/07/2024 11:04

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And your post shows just how little you know of other’s lives. And how little you understand either children or pregnant women/women who have had babies.

FFS!. It takes me 40 minutes just to get to the supermarket on the bus. Not everyone has the privilege to have a car or to have a car on hand.

Yes, women and children use supermarket toilets. You must live a rather privileged life to not ever have done so.

LakeTiticaca · 07/07/2024 10:57

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The staff. Locker rooms are gender neutral as well now I beleive