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Party of Women – number of votes for 16 women brave enough to take a public stand

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IwantToRetire · 05/07/2024 19:11

290 ... Lisa Morgan ... Barrow and Furness
332 ... Julia Maria Long ... Bexhill and Battle
196 ... Kellie-Jay Keen ... Bristol Central
452 ... Catherine Briggs ... Doncaster North
318 ... Katharine Margaret Murphy ... Finchley and Golders Green
244 ... Hazel Exon ... Honiton and Sidmouth
354 ... Lesley Woodburn ... Islington South and Finsbury
116 ... Una Marie O'Mahony ... Kensington and Bayswater
283 ... Liz Panton ... Newcastle upon Tyne East and Wallsend
455 ... Linda Jane Law ... Norwich South
337 ... Katherine Mary Longthorp ... Oxford East
482 ... Louise McDonald ... Sheffield Heeley
295 ... Bernadette O'Malley ... South West Hertfordshire
274 ... Bev White ... St Neots and Mid Cambridgeshire
286 ... Kelly Jane Oliver Dougall ... Tynemouth
363 ... Seonaid Dawn Barber ... West Worcestershire

Original thread here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5092728-party-of-women-has-16-candidates-standing-for-election-on-4-july-2024

Party of Women has 16 candidates standing for election on 4 July 2024 | Mumsnet

1 ... Lisa Morgan ... Barrow and Furness 2 ... Julia Maria Long ... Bexhill and Battle 3 ... Kellie-Jay Keen ... Bristol Central 4 ... Catherine Brigg...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5092728-party-of-women-has-16-candidates-standing-for-election-on-4-july-2024

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NoWordForFluffy · 06/07/2024 15:47

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:33

Most Labour MPs had their majorities reduced too ( other than newly elected ones, that is) - which is why Labour only polled 35% of the vote -in spite of far more seats.

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Look at Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips squeaking through!

And as for trying to suggest that gay men and lesbian women aren't as GC as we think, by extrapolating voting results from two constituencies? That's stretching it a wee bit far, don't you think? They're not an homogeneous mass after all!

EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:45

"many schools in England"
Which schools?

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:44

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:35

Yes, they are in many schools. I know this as an ex teacher, with a daughter currently teaching. A lot of it is down to whether there are activist teachers in the school.

Did you ever take a look at the guidance for teaching about gender and sexuality in Welsh schools? If not perhaps you should.

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Many schools in England, too, have used this toolkit, and resources produced by other activist iorganisations. Primary schools with the 'Genderbread person' , for example.

https://merchedcymru.wales/2024/03/18/welsh-schools-and-trans-guidance-hung-out-to-dry/

Welsh schools and trans guidance - hung out to dry - Merched Cymru

Merched Cymru's report on 'trans toolkits' in Welsh schools uncovers the use of problematic and discredited resources.

https://merchedcymru.wales/2024/03/18/welsh-schools-and-trans-guidance-hung-out-to-dry/

EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:38

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:35

Yes, they are in many schools. I know this as an ex teacher, with a daughter currently teaching. A lot of it is down to whether there are activist teachers in the school.

Did you ever take a look at the guidance for teaching about gender and sexuality in Welsh schools? If not perhaps you should.

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Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with guidelines for all schools.
I'm a teacher and get fed up with all this misinformation. "Activist" teachers?! They have to follow the curriculum. Same as everyone.

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:35

EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32

children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.

Yes, they are in many schools. I know this as an ex teacher, with a daughter currently teaching. A lot of it is down to whether there are activist teachers in the school.

Did you ever take a look at the guidance for teaching about gender and sexuality in Welsh schools? If not perhaps you should.

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:33

EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 14:56

Oh I couldn't agree more about Miriam Cates! Also, Rees Mogg. At least Badenoch had her majority reduced.

Most Labour MPs had their majorities reduced too ( other than newly elected ones, that is) - which is why Labour only polled 35% of the vote -in spite of far more seats.

EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 15:32

children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools.
No, they are not. There are very strict guidelines.
Check your facts before you make unfounded accusations.

borntobequiet · 06/07/2024 15:30
  1. People already self-ID, and this has caused problems in hospitals, prisons and other spaces
  2. Clinicians at the Tavistock itself were concerned that gay children were being transed by parents
  3. Young people have already been given medication and surgeries leading to sterility, without ever having been properly investigated for underlying problems, as was made clear in Cass
  4. Children are already being taught gender nonsense in schools

Scaremongering? Really?

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 15:27

PlanetJanette · 06/07/2024 15:07

No - Jackie Doyle Price stood in this election and her vote share fell by nearly 40 points.

Labours vote share is reflective of an extraordinarily efficient vote management campaign - unlike previous years they didn’t bother building up huge surpluses in safe seats, and pushing up their own vote in constituencies where other parties came second. A different approach would likely have seen a higher vote share but lower seat total.

Where I live, Labour lost a significant share of its vote, in spite of still winning, to the Greens and to Reform. Reform came second in many of the city regions constituencies,and the Greens in others.

In safe Labour seats Labour lost a lot of votes to both throughout the country. The Greens gained from the rejection of Starmer by traditional left wingers who see him as a sell out, and to Reform by many working class communities who feel that Labour looks down on them. A lot of these peple have become quite radicalised since Covid.

The new national Labour constituency is now quite shallow and potentially fragile - certainly if they don't deliver the big changes and improvements that people are hoping for.

ChishiyaBat · 06/07/2024 15:26

CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 15:23

if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men

Kindly, get a hold of yourself. This is not going to happen. It's scaremongering.

It never happens does it, except all the times it actually does!

CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 15:23

rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 15:04

'@CassieMaddox I think the results show the MN obsession with "what a woman is" isn't replicated by the voter base.'

Fine. Let it all happen then.

You know, we really have tried our very best - and will continue to do so. But if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men - for whatever reason, but I bet it's not wholesome - then at least I know we played our part in trying to get it stopped, and supported people like KJK in doing so.

And there will be a huge list of people that we will hold to account. And we will hold them to account, when the time comes.

if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men

Kindly, get a hold of yourself. This is not going to happen. It's scaremongering.

PlanetJanette · 06/07/2024 15:07

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 11:42

Jackie Doyle Price was standing down anyway...which is a shame in my view...as she was solid and had a firm grasp of the issue.

Labour % share of the vote was down in most places. Overall the vote share only increased by 2% in spite of winning a lot more seats. 35% of the electorate voted Labour - on a 60 % turnout. In Labour strongholds the Labour vote was down considerably - as people either voted for the Greens, for Reform, for independents or else spoiled their ballots.

Kemi Badenoch and Victoria Atkins remain for the Conservatives, and are the two with the most competence on this issue..

No - Jackie Doyle Price stood in this election and her vote share fell by nearly 40 points.

Labours vote share is reflective of an extraordinarily efficient vote management campaign - unlike previous years they didn’t bother building up huge surpluses in safe seats, and pushing up their own vote in constituencies where other parties came second. A different approach would likely have seen a higher vote share but lower seat total.

rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 15:04

'@CassieMaddox I think the results show the MN obsession with "what a woman is" isn't replicated by the voter base.'

Fine. Let it all happen then.

You know, we really have tried our very best - and will continue to do so. But if no one will listen, and self ID becomes the norm, and sterilising gay children and encouraging irreversible surgery resumes, unchecked, and it's all rolled out in schools like fact, if it's all men taking women's medals and opportunities, if breast feeding groups and menopause groups and female group therapy become overwhelmed with men - for whatever reason, but I bet it's not wholesome - then at least I know we played our part in trying to get it stopped, and supported people like KJK in doing so.

And there will be a huge list of people that we will hold to account. And we will hold them to account, when the time comes.

PlanetJanette · 06/07/2024 15:00

rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 12:56

'@PlanetJanette The Greens won four seats, not two.

Two of them in constituencies with some of the highest proportion of lesbian and gay voters - which rather suggests that claims that GC viewpoints are widely held by ‘same sex attracted people’ are wide of the mark.'

I stand corrected. Greens won the same number of seats as Reform.

And are the majority of these voters really lesbians and gay men? Or straight men and women who identify as the opposite sex? Because Pride, gay bars, lesbian dating events and any online spaces that are supposed to be for same sex attracted people seem to be more and more overwhelmed by people who aren't same sex attracted at all, but expect everyone to pretend they are....

No - the proportion of gay or lesbian people who are trans is tiny.

The vast majority of gay and lesbian people in Bristol or Brighton are cisgender. And they not only put the Party of Women last (in Bristol), but they elected Green MPs.

Suggests that maybe gay and lesbian people aren’t as GC as people like to claim.

EmpressOfTheThread · 06/07/2024 14:56

Oh I couldn't agree more about Miriam Cates! Also, Rees Mogg. At least Badenoch had her majority reduced.

CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 14:21

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/07/2024 11:42

Jackie Doyle Price was standing down anyway...which is a shame in my view...as she was solid and had a firm grasp of the issue.

Labour % share of the vote was down in most places. Overall the vote share only increased by 2% in spite of winning a lot more seats. 35% of the electorate voted Labour - on a 60 % turnout. In Labour strongholds the Labour vote was down considerably - as people either voted for the Greens, for Reform, for independents or else spoiled their ballots.

Kemi Badenoch and Victoria Atkins remain for the Conservatives, and are the two with the most competence on this issue..

Badenoch lost 26% of her vote share and was lucky to keep her seat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001402

Thank fuck Miriam Cates has gone, and Rees Mogg.

I think the results show the MN obsession with "what a woman is" isn't replicated by the voter base.

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North West Essex - General election results 2024

Get the latest news and election results in the 2024 General election from BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001402

Francesgumm · 06/07/2024 14:18

Well done to all POW women and especially Kellie Jay.
I would’ve voted POW if there was a candidate- Julia Long was in the next constituency to me but no-one in mine.
Interestingly I had no canvassers knock on my door during the run up to the election. But on polling day a couple of Labour people did knock trying to drum up business. They asked me how I was voting and I said ‘well I’m not voting for a party where the leader can’t say what a woman is’. The man responded and asked me what that was and I asked him to tell me what a woman is. His response was instantly, rather surprisingly , a biological female. I started ranting about Keir flip-flopping about like a wet fish - that he’s only changed his mind two days before the election and how awful he was not supporting Rosie Duffield - and the chap insisted that now Keir had changed his view and will save single sex spaces etc and that he (the canvasser) agrees wholeheartedly with me etc.
really made me wonder whether more people have had a go , maybe they’ve been advised centrally what the correct answer should now be to the tricky (!) question of what is a woman.

CassieMaddox · 06/07/2024 14:18

PoW got less votes than the Monster Raving Loony Party.
I don't think she can say "I never lose" any more because she certainly lost the deposit.

I always thought the whole purpose of the exercise was for clickbait and stirring up conflict and nothing that she/they did during the campaign changed my mind. All about policing and using inflammatory language, nothing about women's rights.

I think she's quite likely to be more focussed on the US elections now because she seems increasingly to be getting involved in overseas stuff.

CrossPurposes · 06/07/2024 14:13

PlanetJanette · 06/07/2024 09:28

The Greens won four seats, not two.

Two of them in constituencies with some of the highest proportion of lesbian and gay voters - which rather suggests that claims that GC viewpoints are widely held by ‘same sex attracted people’ are wide of the mark.

Meanwhile, it was a bad election for explicitly GC politicians. Cherry, Gates, Hanvey, Doyle Price all gone. Even Duffield saw her votes fall by 10,000 and probably held on because of the general pro Labour headwinds in this election.

Using two Scottish politicians as proof of unpopularity isn't particularly useful since we also lost John Nicholson, Alyn Smith, Kirsten Oswald, etc as the SNP enmass were nearly wiped out.

Bumblebeehum · 06/07/2024 14:03

Thank you POW candidates, you did a tremendous job in raising the issue for discussion with other candidate's who previously feigned ignorance in it even being an issue.

It was never about winning, it was about raising awareness, and in my constituency I know for sure that having a POW candidate made a big difference. It was wonderful to see women speaking out at the hustings I attended.

FunZebra · 06/07/2024 13:34

ChishiyaBat · 05/07/2024 20:03

I wish we'd had a candidate here in SE Wales I would have votef for them!
If I was a candidate i'd be happy that I stood for what I believed in and any votes would have been a bonus.

Same. Absolute shower of shit on the ballot paper here.

Kernackered · 06/07/2024 13:33

Thanks for posting this. These were the only results I was interested in finding out tbh. Will they all try again next time?

partystress · 06/07/2024 13:30

I’ve got mixed feelings about KJK. However, I completely admire her courage, and that of all the women who stood. The desire to be represented in this battle by someone who has no flaws, no opinions we disagree with, seems to me to be putting an ultra level of ‘be kind’ on ourselves. We don’t need to hobble ourselves when we’ve got whole police forces happy to laugh at female candidates’ genuine safety concerns.

I would have voted PoW had there been a candidate. As it is I held my nose and voted Labour to #GTTO. My letter to my new MP will go out over the summer requesting assurances with regard to single-sex provisions, safeguarding and schools’ PHSE/RSE curriculums. I am grateful to KJK for being one of the people who raised my awareness of what is happening.

rabbitwoman · 06/07/2024 12:56

'@PlanetJanette The Greens won four seats, not two.

Two of them in constituencies with some of the highest proportion of lesbian and gay voters - which rather suggests that claims that GC viewpoints are widely held by ‘same sex attracted people’ are wide of the mark.'

I stand corrected. Greens won the same number of seats as Reform.

And are the majority of these voters really lesbians and gay men? Or straight men and women who identify as the opposite sex? Because Pride, gay bars, lesbian dating events and any online spaces that are supposed to be for same sex attracted people seem to be more and more overwhelmed by people who aren't same sex attracted at all, but expect everyone to pretend they are....

ZingySquid · 06/07/2024 11:59

To all those who stood. Thank you.

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