Harriet Harman and Fawcett Society

"The PIE thing"

This is indescribably insulting to the victims and survivors of child sexual abuse, and causes them great pain, and is retraumatising. So too, is hand waving away crimes against children by saying the crimes happened years ago.

@CassieMaddox I think you should consider withdrawing this foul statement and asking MNHQ to delete your post.

Basically GC people will really box themselves into a corner of only certain kinds of women are acceptable to them. It's a sure fire way to cause infighting while the men carry on with the same old damaging behaviours.

One of the worst things about this debate is the way women are being thrown to the wolves for not being ideologically pure enough.
In the last Labour government, Harriet Harman had the nick name Harriet Harm-Man because people hated how feminist she was. She's done loads for women and has been a real trailblazer. E.g.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-harriet-harman/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2008/nov/09/harriet-harman-defence-of-provocation

The PIE thing happened 50 years ago and is a huge smear.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt

It's awful to see successful women being attacked like that. I think its great she's in the HoL. We need more women in there.

Brilliantly put, thanks.

This is what I thought when every Labour politician referred to ‘safe spaces’ rather than ‘single sex spaces’ in the election campaign; they’re not minded to protect anything other than refuges. And having said that, Keir mentioned that mixed-sex refuges work well because he’s visited some, so they may not even be minded to strongly protect single sex refuges either.

Sorry referring to HH on Woman’s Hour.

Muddled around gender and sex. Sex protected space only applies to refuges and rape crisis centres . No mention of lesbian spaces, changing rooms or anything else or the abomination that is Edinburgh RCC. Maybe some extra guidance in necessary… You don’t say.

So free speech is quite important but women must realise that making men sad is not ok?

Yes, fuck that, thank you. We're talking about women stating reality and their own needs, neither of which is blasphemy.

It's really quite shocking. It's lobby groups getting above their station.

This is one of the main benefits of "identity politics" to those in power - all you need to do is find some group or organisation that claims to represent the relevant identity group, and that agrees with what you want to do, and then you "consult" with them, and then you can claim you've consulted with the relevant "community".

For maximum efficiency, you also fund them to help make sure they say the things you want to say. (SNP is good at this).

The "identity" helps cover up the total lack of democratic accountability. (Identity groups don't need any sort of internal democracy, because obviously all members of the group agree, right?)

Plus, when you leave politics, you can go and get a job in one of those groups, and continue the back-scratching arrangements (accepting taxpayers money to say what the government wants you to say).

Obviously this works with all sorts of quangos, but the identity version is a refinement.

Harriet Harman was just interviewed on Woman's Hour. She talked about the Fawcett Society, but was also asked about becoming chair of the EHRC, and the debate around trans rights.

Harman was very cautious in answering giving a "denial-type reply" about EHRC without actually giving a clear denial, and didn't seem to be completely on-message with what progressive people are supposed to say about "trans rights".

From about 5 minutes in: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0020xv6

In the words of the fabulous Elaine Miller, 'Oh do ya bloody think so?'

Definitely a non-wheeshting woman.

Harriet Harmon
Retired from the House of Commons
Enobled into the House of Lords
Chair of the Fawcett Society
Putative Head of the EHRC

Somebody is having a serious giraffe.

What Ministerial role does she have.

Cant find anything mentioned.

Thanks

Great comments from all those women. The entitlement of wealthy powerful women who've been busy giving away women's rights to now suddenly decide that they'll get women politicians organised.

While they've been busy wining and dining, ordinary women have been organising and fostering the resurgence of an amazing multi faceted women's movement.

JKR and Rosie are unimpressed:

https://x.com/jkrowling/status/1810024026770747778?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/rosieduffield1/status/1810002590543057292?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

So too, is Lucy from (I think) MBM:

x.com/lucyhunterb/status/1810010254253359362?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Should Harriet Harman step down as Chair of the Fawcett Society as the role is a conflict of interest with her ministerial role? Consulting with a group she leads? I feel it is definitely counter to Nolan Principles.

With her background at Liberty, and the Paedophile Information Exchange scandal for which she has never apologised, the very fact this woman was elevated to the Lords should be of grave concern.

Of course she's a Labour peer, not a crossbencher.

Lets be honest.

This wont amount to anything.

This is Fawcett still trying to be relevant.

Not to women, but to political parties.

Same if they're using NI Assembly as an example - as well as being regularly dysfunctional (because the various parties can't get on with each other on fundamental issues of government) the first number of years of the Assembly involved male MLAs being incredibly rude, dismissive and sexist towards female MLAs especially towards those Members from the NI Women's Coalition.

To be honest, in recent years the male MLAs have also been incredibly rude and sexist towards Michelle O'Neill and Arlene Foster. It's obvious that some male politicians here have definite issues with women 'getting above their station'.

Anyone 'drawing in inspiration from the Senedd'should pull their head out of their arse and get their bumps felt.

Fawcett Society will shortly convene all women MPs to facilitate the launching of a powerful women’s caucus

Well let's see how long the HoC sisterhood lasts.

I think many Labour women will make this impossible, particularly in they are Ministers.

And as HH is no longer in the HoC she want hold much sway even if she (unsurprisingly) ends up in the HoL.

Although for Fawcett having got HH to be their Chair a few months ago were obviously hoping they would get niche position as "feminist" adviser to Labour Government.

Another factor was the SNP was marred by sleaze,