So how did the party of women do?

No I wasn't. The totality of the four statements is niche. Its an old political trick to align statements of the bleeding obvious with more controversial statements to try to increase agreement for the more controversial things.

"There's no such thing as non-binary" is nonsense, because there patently is. Lots of people identify as non-binary regardless of one's personal view on the matter.

"Transitioning children is abuse" is inflammatory and likely to be offensive to parents of trans children and professionals working with trans children.

It helps to not straw man people.

I agree that this is a nightmare for parents with adults of bad faith promoting parental alienation, lying about changing sex and minimising the awful impact of social transitioning, puberty blockers and surgery. Like many women on here, I consider myself fortunate that my children avoided all this and have huge empathy for parents.
However, post Cass, I now have zero respect for adults in positions of trust (medics, politicians, educators, academics, journalists etc) who fail to read and understand Cass, fail to understand the impact of social contagion, the experimental nature of all this and fail to care about the dangerous impact of these practices on mentally vulnerable children. We're now way past "be kind" and well into adults adopting a wilful ignorance of what's being done to young gay and lesbian children - gay conversion therapy in real life.

It really riles you up when you don't just have a bunch of people saying "exaaaactly 🤪" to eachother on a thread doesn't it.

I'm not sure why you and @Whatever1964 seem to think it's surprising to people that you "enjoy" Cassie's posts, such as they are. Of course you do.

Agreed.

I feel that its a complicated decision when its your own child. Ideally no transitioning would be happening without thorough exploration of the options, and particularly the other factors that may be driving this (trauma, neurodiversity, bullying, body dismorphia,internalised homophobia, etc) but there seem to be many parents who followed what appeared to be the best advice at the time, or who wanted to show support of a vulnerable child and - given the other problems in that child's life - this was a case of severing contact or helping them to navigate transition. Neither being good options. Some may have been encouraging their child (or young adult) to take things slowly while hoping for a change of heart. It feels cruel to call this profound abuse. Its not an option that the parent chose. (Yes, in some cases it clearly is a choice which was enabled by the parent and would not have happened without their say and that is profound abuse). Maybe this is too nuanced a distinction for a political pamphlet. But on this one instance I see @CassieMaddox 's point.

You seem to have misunderstood why POW exists and why they stood at the election. Their low number of votes is because they are single-issue protest party. They don't expect to get elected, or even keep their deposit. That's not the point of standing. The point is to raise awareness.

Most people, even if they support their aims, wouldn't vote for them if they thought it was more important to support a mainstream party which had a chance of being elected.

Lots of posters and readers enjoy @CassieMaddox contributions on this board and find the constant suggestions she should stop posting simply because you don't agree to actually be a nothing contribution to the conversation. Scroll past or disagree but stop policing which opinions are not allowed. Or stop saying this board his isn't a hive mind/echo chamber 🙄

@CassieMaddox

From what you've said and from the patterns of behaviour I can see, it's more about you getting digs in at KJK, in a space where she can't reply, because you're still salty about an argument that you had with her on the internets, almost a decade ago.

When you read that back in black and white, it's well, it's not great is it?

KJK says:
No woman has a penis
No man has a vagina
There's no such thing as "non binary"
"Transitioning" children is abuse

You said On contact with the real world, its obvious that she's pretty niche.

I think most people would agree with her statements, particularly the first two. You were implying that thinking that women don't have penises is 'niche'. It's not.

I think the thing is @CassieMaddox is that you’re posting on this thread in bad faith.

I remember you from countless other threads and while we have some common ground, some of your beliefs don’t align with what many other GC women believe, nor what the PoW believe. For example, your belief that it’s ok to socially transition kids and that trans conversion therapy should be banned (even though that means ONLY gender affirming therapy will be legal).

You’ve been extremely critical of KJK and PoW on every thread I’ve seen so I don’t think you’re here to give a fair and balanced view. I don’t think there’s anything she could have said or done that would make you post anything positive. I’m not telling where you can and can’t post but it would be like me going onto a post about Reform. I know my comments would be biased and subjective so rushing in to point out that I think they’re shitbags wouldn’t really be the most helpful. It wouldn’t be a thread for me.

This thread isn’t about ass pats for KJK. It’s interesting to see a cross section of objective analysis. But if you loathe the woman and are just using this thread to espouse that view, it’s not really contributing to the conversation.

Again, straw man, trying to divert and put words in my mouth. I think it is wrong to blanket label people "abusers" when you have no idea about them or their circumstances. It is counterproductive and turns people off any reasonable point being made. I've discussed this ad nauseum on these threads so don't want to go into it again. But while PoW are using that strategy I can't support them. I think a lot of people feel the same, hence their low number of votes.

I'm always surprised to hear any woman arguing that it's not abusive to tell children it's possible to change sex and that puberty blockers and brutal surgery will fix their flawed bodies.
Seems very divorced from understanding child development and the right of children to develop to maturity free from adult ideological interference 🙁

The "transitioning children is abuse" line is the reason I couldn't support PoW. Even worse when it became "profound abuse". I find it extremely judgemental.

No, I don't have a trans child or stepchild. I have 2 that would identify themselves as LGB.

@CassieMaddox ... a question that is bugging me. You may choose to tell me to mind my own business.

I seem to recall that you talked some time ago about having a trans-identified stepchild? It was when you posted under previous name. Apologies if I have incorrectly recalled this, but if that is the position that you are in I can understand why descriptions of affirmation of family members is tantamount to abuse is a red flag to you. Knowing a mother of a trans young adult myself (a dear friend) I imagine she would be horrified also. This is part of the leaflet and campaigning around POW that I am uncomfortable with. I think its ill-advised to affirm, but can totally understand that it seemed the lesser of bad options - especially if it happened at a time when the mantra was 'better a trans child than a dead one'.

Well I can answer that one! I am getting closer and closer to considering joining the POW (and I have never been a member of any political party before). So @CassieMaddox is doing pretty well as a recruitment officer. Keep asking unreasonable questions and making judge-y pick-y throw downs. The more I see reasonable answers back the more my admiration for this group grows. (I doubt I am the only one).

Where did I say that?
It would really help if you didn't strawman everything.

She signed up for it. Then pulled out.
There was no reason not to stay in Brighton after LRM was removed, it's odd she then signed up for Birmingham, pulled out, then Bristol.

Very weird.

So you're just backing up what I said, that she had to find a new constituency in a hurry and she considered more than one.

On contact with the real world, its obvious that she's pretty niche.

You think that most people think that some women have penises? I think you're mistaken.

After

I've posted on this board for the best part of 15 years and am not about to stop just because some posters would rather I didn't.
It's only because I don't namechange often that you have any idea who I am. I'm interested in feminism and want to make things better for women; I'm also interested in politics.

Why do you post here?

Haha like Angela Rayner is for you eh ?😂

😆
You are funny. I think some posters come on here and write entirely reasonable posts, then get hounded off the boards/threads by KJK fans.
It makes it appear like her approaches are more widely accepted than they are. On contact with the real world, its obvious that she's pretty niche.

I agree with ineverlose that she's damaged the GC cause.