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Anyone else here voting Reform UK?

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Rsfk35 · 04/07/2024 17:56

I am, Tories can’t be trusted and got us into the mess we are in now and we all know that lib/lab/snp and green will do to women’s rights.

i don’t expect reform to win much but I read to say that amongst young males labour and Reform are both polling at 35% Among young women though Reform are polling very badly and Labour are polling exceptionally high. I guess if women are happy to vote their rights away that is their choice but I won’t.

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qwerty14 · 05/07/2024 10:22

Gettingbysomehow · 04/07/2024 23:22

I looked at their policies if you can call them that. They want to abolish the human rights act. which I think is very dangerous.
Women will become second class citizens, Andrew Tate that repellent individual is a big fan of the party. The other policies are oh so good to be true like 17 billion for the NHS. That isn't going to make a dent that is the mess that it's in, they are just an unknown untested quantity with too many very dodgy people as members.

I think you have misunderstood the rationale behind the abolition of the equality act.
The Reform Party and many on the Right believe that we have effective laws that protect against inequality and that we are ceding parliamentary powers to unelected bureaucratic committees.
Government can become exploited for example hate crime legislation that Starmer is going to bring in is exploited by trans activists, green legislation had the effect of deterring steel production in the UK (and makes steel production move to India and be produced with lower environmental standards and then shipped at cost to he UK).

PeasfullPerson · 05/07/2024 09:57

The risk of transgender people being in women only spaces is in my opinion real, but it has been blown out of proportion, because it is novel, and because it has been given so much attention in the media.

I would rather vote for a party who focuses on solving problems which have the biggest impact on our health and safety, rather than a single issue, that the media, political manipulation, and a fear response has led me to focus on.

We have bigger issues to solve.

Runsyd · 05/07/2024 09:48

TemporalMechanic · 04/07/2024 23:23

What's worse, a party which includes people who called women 'the sponging gender' and compared autistic people to vegetables, or a party which includes people who think that a man can grow a cervix, that children are born without a sex, and that women should just BeKind and let men in all their spaces?

(my answer is that they're both terrible, but it's irritating to see people who voted for a party containing idiots who have said awful things being sanctimoniously judgemental about people who voted for another party containing idiots who have said awful things)

Amen. I'm no fan of Reform, but Labour is actually willing to lie about physical reality ie. that women have penises.

TemporalMechanic · 05/07/2024 00:04

DaisyCat33 · 04/07/2024 23:40

The difference is that saying men can grow a cervix is just ignorant. It isn't actually hateful. The difference is Reform have actually said women should be denied free healthcare. How can you compare the two?

Also you've just outed yourself as transphobic, well done.

Transphobic. Lol. Everything is apparently transphobic so that accusation has ceased to mean anything.

Labour will put men in women's prisons and hospital wards. If you care about vulnerable women you'll see the problem with that.

I'll definitely compare the two in terms of having ideas which, if put into practice, could harm women. Neither party comes out well.

Bookery · 05/07/2024 00:04

Is it truly a coincidence that these candidates who have made their

misogynistic (women are the "sponging gender")

antisemitic ("Jews run banks")

racist (sub-Saharan Africans "dilute" UK IQ) views known are all Reform candidates?

Let's not forget the WWII history revisionism and refusal to denounce Hitler (it would have been "far better" for the country if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality).

Would women who chose to support Reform in this election still believe the criticism this party receives is unfounded?

Topofthemountain · 05/07/2024 00:00

When the north east red wall turned blue and the huge support for Brexit, I really tried to understand why people voted the way they did. In actual fact I defended them on the numerous posts about the NE voting patterns.

This time, I just think there are a lot of stupid people who think they are "sticking it to the man" by voting Reform.

Bookery · 04/07/2024 23:52

@Rsfk35 @Runsyd @mumofoneand2dogs

Here's another example of Reform candidates' racism (sub-Saharan Africans "diluting" the IQ in the UK):

A Reform UK candidate tweeted derogatory comments about the IQ of ethnic minorities, it has emerged.

Edward Oakenfull, Reform UK's candidate for Derbyshire Dales, made the offensive posts on X last year, referring to the IQ of sub-Saharan Africans.

[...]

He tweeted the comments about sub-Saharan Africans "diluting" the UK's IQ in July last year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgxxjzn738go

Edward Oakenfull

Reform UK candidate made 'low IQ' comments about minorities

Edward Oakenfull, the party's candidate for Derbyshire Dales, made the offensive posts on X last year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgxxjzn738go

Tabasco007 · 04/07/2024 23:51

CeruleanDive · 04/07/2024 18:31

Did Farage's lauding of rapist and trafficker Andrew Tate not give you a pause?

I'm not sure he did that though to be honest, wasn't it taken out of context. He was pointing out that young men are disillusioned in some way, and for what ever reason, look up to Andrew Tate.

Saintmariesleuth · 04/07/2024 23:51

@Neurodiversitydoctor I suspect a lot of people are rather pissed off with the main parties and have logged a protest vote. I hope they take note and start to make some positive changes. I didn't vote Reform, but wasn't very impressed with the other parties.

I also noticed that the turnouts were around 53%, as I understand it, this is lower than the national average for the last 100 years. I wonder if that will also be a running theme?

bombaybicycle · 04/07/2024 23:51

PinkFrogss · 04/07/2024 23:41

Very interesting that no Reform voters seem to be willing to address the very well made points about the Equality Act Hmm

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

They did. I think it was this thread, or certainly another one with some very vocal reform voters. They said they didn't mind... 🤦🏼‍♀️

Valdor · 04/07/2024 23:51

DaisyCat33 · 04/07/2024 23:40

The difference is that saying men can grow a cervix is just ignorant. It isn't actually hateful. The difference is Reform have actually said women should be denied free healthcare. How can you compare the two?

Also you've just outed yourself as transphobic, well done.

Not transphobic.

PinkFrogss · 04/07/2024 23:49

As an aside, the reform candidate for my area has some very strange views on Covid vaccines, and claims climate change doesn’t exist, so not sure his scientific knowledge is quite up to scratch even if he does know what a woman is.

Carock · 04/07/2024 23:48

Reform have fake local candidates, they’ve made the names up on flyers 😂 you can’t be serious

Bookery · 04/07/2024 23:44

My apologies for the double post, it seems there was a glitch.

Bookery · 04/07/2024 23:42

@Rsfk35 @Runsyd @mumofoneand2dogs

A Reform UK candidate has apologised for claiming the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.

Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".

In posts from 2022 on the Unherd magazine website, seen by the BBC, he said Winston Churchill was "abysmal" and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

Most people are highly critical of this party for a good reason. Many voiced their criticism of Labour's pre-election stance on definition of women and other related policies, but even Labour politicians did not say women are the "sponging gender".

Reform UK rosette

Reform UK candidate apologises over Hitler neutrality comments

Ian Gribbin says his grandparents were "Russian Jews fleeing persecution" and his comments were taken out of context.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

Bookery · 04/07/2024 23:42

@Rsfk35 @Runsyd @mumofoneand2dogs

A Reform UK candidate has apologised for claiming the country would be "far better" if it had "taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality" instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two.

Ian Gribbin, the party's candidate in Bexhill and Battle, also wrote online that women were the "sponging gender" and should be "deprived of health care".

In posts from 2022 on the Unherd magazine website, seen by the BBC, he said Winston Churchill was "abysmal" and praised Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

Most people are highly critical of this party for a good reason. Many voiced their criticism of Labour's pre-election stance on definition of women and other related policies, but even Labour politicians did not say women are the "sponging gender".

Reform UK rosette

Reform UK candidate apologises over Hitler neutrality comments

Ian Gribbin says his grandparents were "Russian Jews fleeing persecution" and his comments were taken out of context.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

PinkFrogss · 04/07/2024 23:41

Very interesting that no Reform voters seem to be willing to address the very well made points about the Equality Act Hmm

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

bathofbeans · 04/07/2024 23:40

I didn't vote reform but after a quick read of their plans just now, they are hugely behind the farming and fishing industry, as well as wanting to scrap car emissions tax and drill for oil and gas to reduce everyone's energy bills. I'd say that's quite a lot of voters to capture to be honest.

DaisyCat33 · 04/07/2024 23:40

TemporalMechanic · 04/07/2024 23:23

What's worse, a party which includes people who called women 'the sponging gender' and compared autistic people to vegetables, or a party which includes people who think that a man can grow a cervix, that children are born without a sex, and that women should just BeKind and let men in all their spaces?

(my answer is that they're both terrible, but it's irritating to see people who voted for a party containing idiots who have said awful things being sanctimoniously judgemental about people who voted for another party containing idiots who have said awful things)

The difference is that saying men can grow a cervix is just ignorant. It isn't actually hateful. The difference is Reform have actually said women should be denied free healthcare. How can you compare the two?

Also you've just outed yourself as transphobic, well done.

StaunchMomma · 04/07/2024 23:37

Gettingbysomehow · 04/07/2024 23:22

I looked at their policies if you can call them that. They want to abolish the human rights act. which I think is very dangerous.
Women will become second class citizens, Andrew Tate that repellent individual is a big fan of the party. The other policies are oh so good to be true like 17 billion for the NHS. That isn't going to make a dent that is the mess that it's in, they are just an unknown untested quantity with too many very dodgy people as members.

This is a very good point.

Lots of people here say they can't vote for Labour because of the trans issue but Farage is a Tate lover - a literal misogynist and woman abuser. Farage says he is 'Good for young men'.

Wake up, FFS.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 04/07/2024 23:35

Blyth just declared 23% of the vote for Reform 😮

Iizzyb · 04/07/2024 23:34

@Rsfk35 you do know that the Equality Act combined several existing discrimination laws which had been in place for years. Do you actually think their plan would be to repeal the Equality Act & replace it with the Sex Discrimination Act 1976, Equal Pay Act 1970, Race Relations Act 1976, Disability Discrimination Act 1995....need I go on? Without that protection, there isn't even a right to equal pay for men & women let alone protection from sexual harassment, dismissal for being pregnant... really?

StaunchMomma · 04/07/2024 23:34

Bookery · 04/07/2024 23:25

@mumofoneand2dogs
You stated you "stand with everything Nigel has said", and other commenters have brought up specific examples. Another commenter cited an article but in case you missed it --

Nigel Farage's party candidate describing autistic people as "vegetables":

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-uk-candidate-described-autistic-people-as-vegetables-tvgtxkx3p

Reform candidate saying "Jews run banks", yet the party hesitant to suspend her:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13598359/Reform-candidate-Angela-Carter-Begbie-says-Jews-run-banks-party-remains-silent-calls-suspend-her.html

Edited

Anyone who claims to not know these people are pure cunts must be walking around with their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears.

They have repeatedly shown us who they are.

SkyeB86 · 04/07/2024 23:33

The racist party? No.

StaunchMomma · 04/07/2024 23:32

I genuinely think Farage is a racist piece of shit and other candidates seem to be very much cut from the same cloth so I wouldn't consider them for a second.