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POW candidate's pub ban successfully challenged

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Imnobody4 · 03/07/2024 17:43

Good for FSU and Liz Panton. I can't believe the arrogance of these people.

“On the 7th of May 2024 you came to the Cumberland wearing a hoody making a clear statement. Your name now appears as a parliamentary candidate to represent the Party of Women at Westminster, a party with which the Cumberland will not be associated. Accordingly you will no longer be allowed entry within the pub’s boundaries.”

https://freespeechunion.org/fsu-member-successfully-fights-back-after-being-banned-from-pub-for-gender-critical-views/

Earlier this week, we received the following response from the pub’s lawyer: “I can advise you that my client has now written to Ms Panton to advise her that it has reversed its decision to bar her from the Cumberland Arms.”

FSU member successfully fights back after being banned from pub for gender critical views – The Free Speech Union

The FSU scored a significant victory this week, helping one of our members successfully fight back after she was barred from her local pub for wearing a hoody emblazoned with a gender critical slogan.

https://freespeechunion.org/fsu-member-successfully-fights-back-after-being-banned-from-pub-for-gender-critical-views

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smithsinarazz · 08/07/2024 11:57

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 08/07/2024 11:14

Yep. Huge "Progress Flag" hanging in the window of the "Music Bar" and men allowed in the Ladies Toilets.

Men who have been exposing themselves to women, going by the need for notices asking them to please remember to close the cubicle doors when they are using them and to "pull up/zip up" before leaving the "private space", ie cubicles, and going back into the waiting/hand washing shared space.

The doors into the Toilets off the corridor have both been wedged open since the pub reopened after Covid, presumably as a risk-reduction measure to deter men from sexually assaulting women in there? The Free Trade has done the same thing.

What was the Gents off the main bar does have the door closed, otherwise the urinals would be open to view from the bar. There is a cubicle beyond the urinals and staff tell customers that this is the "Disabled Toilet" - but not that a woman can expect to enter and have to get past a man at the urinals in order to reach the cubicle, nor that the "waiting area" for the cubicle contains the urinals, nor that the door to the cubicle does not lock.

The disrespect for the privacy and dignity of all customers and in addition for the safety of women is off-scale.

There was a children's party upstairs not long ago. When I went to what was the Ladies (now called "Cubicles") there was a Muslim mum with her young daughter trying to work out which cubicle was free and whether the doors locked. I didn't want to risk the little girl wetting herself if I told her mum that men, any and all men, were allowed in there and her mum then decided that she could not use the toilets.

I know that there has been more than one petition to the Cumberland asking to speak to Jo about the situation with the toilets but as far as I know they were ignored. I didn't dare sign them because I didn't want to compromise our ukulele session meeting there. Other women who go to the ukulele session are not happy about the toilets and some of them do not have anything to drink, or very little, while they are there so that they can avoid having to use the toilets.

It's bonkers. It's like going to visit a morbidly religious relative with bells 'n' smells everywhere and feeling like you've got to genuflect before you're allowed a cup of tea.
I did think of changing the notice saying "If you can use the urinals, please do so," to "If you have a cock, stay the fuck out of the Ladies'", but no doubt that would be viewed as hate speech.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/07/2024 11:37

That's awful @POWNewcastleEastWallsend I don't understand why people can't see it.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 08/07/2024 11:14

SinnerBoy · 08/07/2024 07:08

Was it the Cumberland in Byker?

Yep. Huge "Progress Flag" hanging in the window of the "Music Bar" and men allowed in the Ladies Toilets.

Men who have been exposing themselves to women, going by the need for notices asking them to please remember to close the cubicle doors when they are using them and to "pull up/zip up" before leaving the "private space", ie cubicles, and going back into the waiting/hand washing shared space.

The doors into the Toilets off the corridor have both been wedged open since the pub reopened after Covid, presumably as a risk-reduction measure to deter men from sexually assaulting women in there? The Free Trade has done the same thing.

What was the Gents off the main bar does have the door closed, otherwise the urinals would be open to view from the bar. There is a cubicle beyond the urinals and staff tell customers that this is the "Disabled Toilet" - but not that a woman can expect to enter and have to get past a man at the urinals in order to reach the cubicle, nor that the "waiting area" for the cubicle contains the urinals, nor that the door to the cubicle does not lock.

The disrespect for the privacy and dignity of all customers and in addition for the safety of women is off-scale.

There was a children's party upstairs not long ago. When I went to what was the Ladies (now called "Cubicles") there was a Muslim mum with her young daughter trying to work out which cubicle was free and whether the doors locked. I didn't want to risk the little girl wetting herself if I told her mum that men, any and all men, were allowed in there and her mum then decided that she could not use the toilets.

I know that there has been more than one petition to the Cumberland asking to speak to Jo about the situation with the toilets but as far as I know they were ignored. I didn't dare sign them because I didn't want to compromise our ukulele session meeting there. Other women who go to the ukulele session are not happy about the toilets and some of them do not have anything to drink, or very little, while they are there so that they can avoid having to use the toilets.

POW candidate's pub ban successfully challenged
POW candidate's pub ban successfully challenged
POW candidate's pub ban successfully challenged
POW candidate's pub ban successfully challenged
WarriorN · 08/07/2024 07:35

Yes I think so.

Whole area is proper woke now. A very early version of no outsiders was run in a local ish school. Before Moffat took it and developed it.

In my neck of the same area someone is stickering so much people are noticing and love it!

SinnerBoy · 08/07/2024 07:08

Was it the Cumberland in Byker?

Crouton19 · 07/07/2024 22:17

I see FTM on other parts of the site and have to take a second before realising it stands for First Time Mum!

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 07/07/2024 20:26

Oh "Gina" - I do not think your daddy would have been very impressed with your behaviour today.

How dare you presume to lecture, chide and insult women for doing what we think necessary to protect women and safeguard children.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 07/07/2024 17:28

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 11:08

This made me laugh, I know I shouldn't - I mean it's insulting and all that, but it's so OTT it's funny. I acknowledge that I wouldn't find it so funny if I was Liz Panton, and I'm sorry she was subjected to it.
But I laughed at tortured ukuleles, bike-riding gorillas and the proliferation of full stops.
Rock on, LizSmile

Bugger! I have only just spotted this thread so I missed what sounded like a wild post by ginaritchie!

"tortured ukuleles, bike-riding gorillas and the proliferation of full stops." 😂

WTF 😂

Did Gina claim to be familiar with the ukulele sessions at the Cumberland Arms? Or is it is just me who they have an issue with?

I'll let you make up your own minds.

These are clips from a session when we had a weekend away, so not at The Cumberland Arms:

This is my own YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@Ukulele-allsorts

Sorry, no bike-riding gorillas 🤷‍♀️

SinnerBoy · 07/07/2024 15:12

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Today 12:19

No, you are not alone!

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 07/07/2024 14:07

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/07/2024 12:19

I know I’m pretty ancient, but does anyone else still equate PoW with ‘prisoner of war’?

I assumed it was deliberate- that we’re effectively prisoners of war. We’re the casualties in a patriarchal system. But I may have been overthinking!

lcakethereforeIam · 07/07/2024 13:03

Because I spend far too much time on FWR, FTM always takes me a moment on pregnancy threads. POW (all caps) puts me in mind of DC (that's Detective Comics) comics. I like it....Batman 😁

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 07/07/2024 12:34

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/07/2024 12:19

I know I’m pretty ancient, but does anyone else still equate PoW with ‘prisoner of war’?

That was my first thought; Princess of Wales was the second, which is odd, given that I'm Irish. I obviously spend far too much time here.

TheMithrasDirective · 07/07/2024 12:28

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 07/07/2024 12:17

I’m torn between reporting that post for the bigoted, bullying crap it is, and leaving it up for maximum evidence of the shit women put up with.

Liz, keep singing, keep thinking, and if that annoys the likes of GinaRitchie, frankly so much the better. They clearly need a bit of perspective.

I think it should be left up - one of the most viciously bonkers posts I've seen on here. Like what the actual fuck 🫣🤪

Topofthemountain · 07/07/2024 12:21

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/07/2024 12:19

I know I’m pretty ancient, but does anyone else still equate PoW with ‘prisoner of war’?

I'm afraid that is where my mind first goes to.

An unfortunate abbreviation really.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/07/2024 12:19

I know I’m pretty ancient, but does anyone else still equate PoW with ‘prisoner of war’?

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 07/07/2024 12:17

I’m torn between reporting that post for the bigoted, bullying crap it is, and leaving it up for maximum evidence of the shit women put up with.

Liz, keep singing, keep thinking, and if that annoys the likes of GinaRitchie, frankly so much the better. They clearly need a bit of perspective.

Brefugee · 07/07/2024 12:13

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don't be such a bully. I'm sure you think you're very clever and all, and you do have a way with words, but fuck me - standing up for women's rights upsets you so much you went into all that?

you might need a nice lie down

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 12:06

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2024 11:57

This made me laugh, I know I shouldn't - I mean it's insulting and all that

It's bullying, isn't it?

You're 100% correct, Ereshkigalangcleg, and* *I hope you understand my use of humour in no way condones the content of the post, it just lends itself to derision, doesn't?🙄

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2024 11:58

What she's like as a musician is completely irrelevant here, she's been discriminated against multiple times.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/07/2024 11:57

This made me laugh, I know I shouldn't - I mean it's insulting and all that

It's bullying, isn't it?

arethereanyleftatall · 07/07/2024 11:56

@ginaritchie
You're on mumsnet to say you don't agree with someone supporting womens rights?!? Good luck with that. Ps fuck off.

SoreAndTired1 · 07/07/2024 11:50

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@ginaritchie Defending women and girls most basic human rights is bonkers?

Thankfully you are in the extreme fringe minority. It's Panton that is bonkers or horrible here.... Your horrible views are about as welcome to the overwhelming majority as a far in a space suit.

StealthSpinach · 07/07/2024 11:17

@ginaritchie - you alright, pet?

MarieDeGournay · 07/07/2024 11:08

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This made me laugh, I know I shouldn't - I mean it's insulting and all that, but it's so OTT it's funny. I acknowledge that I wouldn't find it so funny if I was Liz Panton, and I'm sorry she was subjected to it.
But I laughed at tortured ukuleles, bike-riding gorillas and the proliferation of full stops.
Rock on, LizSmile

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 07/07/2024 09:27

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You sound nice.