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Response from my MP

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exLibDem · 02/07/2024 22:58

Finally heard back from my MP. Am feeling very angry and let down. I know I'm not the only one here who feels politically homeless.

This is an extract from the response:

"I am very clear that single-sex safe spaces for women are essential and must be protected. I also recognise that trans women have the right to dignity and safety too and will need to be able to access toilets, changing rooms and other single-sex facilities when going about their daily life.

The Equality Act 2010 already entitled trans women to use women’s facilities and this happens all the time, without many of us being aware. Indeed, predatory men wishing to access a ladies’ loo or shop changing room do not need to go through any process to do so – these spaces are not policed and nor could they practically be, without checking inside women’s underwear, which would be a gross violation of all women’s rights.

We cannot exclude trans people from society or force trans women to use single-sex facilities for men because of our concerns about predatory men. The law in our country has respected people’s right to self-identify for twenty years now, with safeguards to avoid abuse.

The Equality Act protects both hard-won women’s rights and trans rights, and shows that the two are not in conflict. In the case of prisons, hospitals and refuges, entry for all people – regardless of gender – is based on a risk assessment. It is proper that individual institutions and organisations implement their own policies according to the needs and wellbeing of their service users."

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CorruptedCauldron · 02/07/2024 23:14

"I am very clear that single-sex safe spaces for women are essential and must be protected. I also recognise that trans women have the right to dignity and safety too and will need to be able to access toilets, changing rooms and other single-sex facilities when going about their daily life.

Whenever anybody in politics uses the word ‘clear’, you can be sure it’s clear as mud. That statement is a contradiction. A woman’s single-sex space becomes mixed-sex the moment a male person crosses the threshold. You can’t have it both ways. It’s either a single-sex, female space, or it’s a mixed-sex space that is primarily for women but a few male people can use it too.

We cannot exclude trans people from society or force trans women to use single-sex facilities for men because of our concerns about predatory men.

Oh, so male people with gender identities must be kept safe from predatory male people, by using unconsenting women as a human shield. Got it. But never mind the women who might be at risk from predators too if their single-sex spaces become mixed-sex.

Nobody wants to exclude anyone from society, you absolute drama queen. We just want women to have single-sex spaces, for reasons of safety, dignity and privacy, and for separate, gender-neutral spaces to be provided for transwomen who are afraid to use men’s facilities.

exLibDem · 02/07/2024 23:12

Thank you. I mean how do you even begin to engage with this? At least I know who I'm not voting for now. No responses yet from the other candidates I messaged.

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HootyMcBooby · 02/07/2024 23:08

""I am very clear that single-sex safe spaces for women are essential and must be protected"........

and then goes on to list why transwomen can also use female spaces.

They must be kept safe from "predatory men", must they?

What about when they ARE the predatory men?

Oh hang on, that would mean protecting ACTUAL women and girls.
Strike that.

Runor · 02/07/2024 23:05

exLibDem, wow, that’s worth a round of TRA bingo - they’ve been doing it for years, nobody can tell, underwear check….. How disappointing!

Notastalker, it will be very interesting if your Labour candidate can really point to the bit of the manifesto about single-sex spaces…

Notastalker · 02/07/2024 22:59

Reply from labour MP in my area:I believe there should be single sex spaces for refuges, hospitals etc and of course sport (although that’s not a space but you know what I mean ☺️)

But I also think people should live the life that makes them happy and I will always address trans people with any pronoun they want and support the community in ensuring they get access to the services they need and protection from hate crimes.

The debate is so toxic on social media but I think most people want a sensible solution that protects and respects everyone.

There’s info on this in our manifesto which I’ll try to find later.

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