"More people regret Harry Potter tattoos than trans surgeries"

This is a ridiculous comparison so data not required.

More people get splinters than are killed by drunk drivers. And?

This guy has just made up some stuff to virtue signal that he and anyone he would consider ‘correct’ think anything to do with JK is beyond the pale.

I make cosplay outfits and the number of people in the community who now love to go on and on about their boycotting of Harry Potter costumes after twenty years of going on about being proud Hufflepuffs or whatever…🥱

I really doubt it! 😆

They only regret the Harry Potter tattoos because they are outraged that Rowling believes in the reality of biological sex, so statistically that doesn't matter!

To be serious about it... in addition to the points already made by other people, I would make the point that the key issue shouldn't be regret rate but rather comparable outcomes.

Let's say you transition a couple of kids and neither of them regret it; good result?

Well not if one of them could have naturally recovered from gender dysphoria and been far happier. That situation then looks as questionable as it gets.

Even if this strange claim is true, so what? We're not trying to argue that people should get Harry Potter tattoos 😁

It's easier to have a Harry Potter tattoo removed than it is to have your cock sewn back on, I'd imagine.

Ask him what percentage of little girls being sexually assaulted in spaces that are meant to be single sex he WOULD take notice of & just why he’s ok with any amount of assaults because some men are bit sad.

Any mention by him of sexual assault committed by other demographics is pure whataboutery. Nobody is suggesting only trans women commit sexual assault. But if you let some males into female spaces, you let all males into female spaces. And an abundance of sex offenders identify as female - which in the US entitles them, even if they’re rapists, even if their crime is VAWG, to be locked up with women already overwhelmingly likely to be victims of male violence. Ask him why he thinks women in prison don’t have the right to be protected from male violence. Male prisoners who ID as trans can be protected within the male estate; male violence is not a female problem to solve nor are females some kind of service human. Why does he think women exist only to fulfil the needs of male humans? Because that’s what he’s saying. If a woman were incarcerated in a male prison she would need protecting, but she wouldn’t have an identity crisis. Women are neither an idea in a man’s head nor a resource to be exploited - we do not exist to “validate” males with an unstable sense of self. That requires input from a therapist.

10 yo girl attacked in Morrison’s toilets
Headlines from across US
Unisex Changing Rooms put women in danger
Women raped by trans cellmate in CA
“Man posing as TW” (how can they tell?!) raped Rikers inmate
Illinois: female prisoner raped by trans inmate

Good points here.
Can I add my not fully rounded thought that one person undergoing SRS (sex reassignment surgery?) might have multiple operations.

So say there were 300 SRS but performed on 100 people.10 people might regret their 30 surgeries but instead of this being recorded as 30 surgeries/300 = 10% regret rate

it might be recorded as

10 people expressing regret/300 surgeries= 10/300 , a much lower 3% regret rate

All figures are made up by me for illustrative purposes

I suppose people might have more than one HP tattoo also

Surely the fact (highlighted by Hannah Barnes, by the judge in the Keira Bell review and by Dr Cass) that no reliable follow up data are collected on those young people prescribed puberty blockers mean that OBVIOUSLY we can’t give the stats for regret or detransitions.

No one can accurately rebut your friend’s rather silly claim because part of the problem with “trans healthcare” is the lack of information, evidence and clarity.

He sounds insufferable whatever the regret percentages are.

I don't get this - isn't what you're looking at actually more that "more people SAY (aka ADMIT) they regret their HP tattoo than say/admit they regret their GRS?
You don't have to sign up to a lifetime identity change to have a tattoo. You don't have to take body altering drugs for a lifetime to have a tattoo. You don't have to stick a flag on one side of a very controversial political ideology either.
It's way easier to regret something petty and trivial - openly regretting an irreversible life choice is far more significant- especially given the ostracism and hate thrown at detransitioners by their former cult-buddies.
Which is why we have to support and protect detransitioners and why we have to protect more kids/teens/adults with MH problems from this pernicious ideology.

So he's a blatant misogynist? Now there's a surprise.

Just say the tattoos you find in those packets of sweety cigarettes don’t count!!

I think you would need three comparators before you could draw any conclusions:
trans surgery regret
regret of any/all tattoo
regret of HP-specific tattoo

Denominators matter enormously, here.

Tiny percentages of large numbers deliver large numbers.

Large proportions of small numbers deliver small numbers while still being a substantial proportion of the total.

Oh, this was a joke circulating on twitter last week, it was not supposed to be taken as a serious stat by the OP.

As someone upthread pointed out, many more people get HP tattoos than transition, so in that sense it's likely to be true. Think also that the type of person likely to get a HP tattoo is also highly likely to be anti-JKR on the trans issue.

I've seen this touted across various sites like reddit and tumblr, it's something that the (more batshit side of the) HP fandom like to claim, though I'm not sure I've ever seen it made as a serious claim - as if they had stats - and more as a defiant anti-JKR stance, as if this somehow proved something.

Which of course it doesn't as, as has been pointed out, there are no meaningful stats and a huge discrepancy in the numbers of people getting both which makes it impossible to compare.

But even if the data could be collected, and it turned out that every single person who ever got a HP tattoo now hated it, while only 1% of transitioners regretted it... there is a lot of difference between being a bit embarrassed you have a dark mark inked on your forearm and regretting having your penis chopped off. The type of regret and the depth of it is as equally incomparable as the numbers, as is the amount of damage done to someone's body and the reversibility.

And you have to be 18 or over to get a HP tattoo. Girls as young as 12 are having mastectomies.

It really is just something stupid that people embarrassingly hard of thinking say, and your friend should be embarrassed to be parroting it.

I don't know how you'd even start to gather the data tbh.
You'd have to do % to make a fair comparison.

Are we comparing HP tattoos to people who have had surgery of some kind? Or socially transitioned as well.

And I think the reason for the regret is relevant. Do they regret the tattoo because of Queen JKRs opinions? Did they outgrow the franchise? Was it a badly done tattoo?

I don't have the stats but would guess they are based on a flat number rather than a percentage or proportion.

The number of people who have SRS is pretty small annually (dependent on what is classed as SRS ie mastectomy facial feminisation surgery, hysterectomy, orchiectomy, phalloplasty.......

The number of people getting a Harry Potter tattoo will be significantly higher.

So let's say

10,000 HP tattoos a year. 1% is 100 people
1000 SRS. 1% is 10 people

It's hard to pin down stats as they are all a little oblique for example one report I found says in 2022 there were 335 gender transformation surgeries in the U.K, but what does gender transformation surgery mean?

Yes.

I don't have a source for that tattoo regret rate, btw, just going by where this pulled out of someone's ass claim has come from.

Lots of people have terrible Potter tattoos; lots of people realise lots of people share their SuPeR mEaNiNgFuL Potter tattoo; apparently some people don’t realise that tattoos are permanent (you know, for “Always”); people change a lot between 18 & 38/48/58 whatever; coverup work is common; tattoos are cheap; Potter tattoos are superabundant - at one point they were the most common design IIRC; people who thought getting a dark mark was super edgy (seriously WTF) reconsider after having kids; & some people think they should have “grown out” of Potter at an arbitrary age. So it wouldn’t be surprising; & doubtless some buckeejits are mopping & mowing about “OMG Rowling so transphobic”.

There are no reliable stats on regret for GRS. There are ones wafted about but the numbers are tiny; people are lost; & the duration of follow-up is insufficient.

A quick google seems to suggest this is based on a general regret rate for tattoos - 12%, versus the highly dubious figure of regret for 'transition' surgeries.

Children can't consent to Harry Potter tattoos.