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Toseland · 03/07/2024 00:32

urbanbuddha · 02/07/2024 23:10

A dear friend of mine is trans.

Is he gay or straight?

Omlettes · 03/07/2024 00:27

LaLoba · 03/07/2024 00:16

Look at the hateful little bigot. Punch that little Nazi Terf!

I’m so sorry, it’s been a long day. I’ll get my coat.

Thats a great photo! Very elegant and the rabbit is beautifully sleek.
Those eyes put Audrey Hepburn to shame.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/07/2024 00:24

Thank you for the photo of your bun @LaLoba he's gorgeous ❤️

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 03/07/2024 00:19

What a beauty! Maybe they’re trans? Have you tried tying a pink bow on him?

LaLoba · 03/07/2024 00:16

Look at the hateful little bigot. Punch that little Nazi Terf!

I’m so sorry, it’s been a long day. I’ll get my coat.

Looks like the Guardian can't ignore sex vs gender any more
LaLoba · 03/07/2024 00:05

viques · 02/07/2024 23:39

“I do think that some transwomen are women.”

I am not a geneticist, so in these matters I defer to Professor Lord Robert Winston, Emeritus Professor at Imperial College, who has spent a life time working in the field of reproductive science and knows more than a bit about genetics, chromosomes and human biology and he is perfectly clear that the human race is binary, male and female and that sex is immutable.

My tiny Netherlands Dwarf rabbit is not a geneticist. He does however know what a female of any species is. He likes my husband, but he loves my female dog and me with such devotion it makes my husband nervous around him. Almost like sex is really obvious. Or perhaps my teeny tiny bunny is a fascist transphobe, who can tell?

RedToothBrush · 03/07/2024 00:02

urbanbuddha · 02/07/2024 23:10

A dear friend of mine is trans.

I'm not sexist, homophobic or insenstive to religious minorities because look how inclusive I am with my trans mate.

Is the new 'I'm not racist, look here's my token black friend'.

RedToothBrush · 03/07/2024 00:00

Omlettes · 02/07/2024 22:05

They are SO late with this. And still contradicting themselves via the linguistic manipulation of 'conversion therapy'.
I cant trust them, wont vote Tory - am utterly torn, will probably spoil my ballot.

Everything in that article was known by Labour. Its coming out in polling:

https://www.channel4.com/news/who-are-britains-undecided-voters

Women are the biggest group of undecided voters. Newsnight also talked about the profile of the undecided voter. Older women.

Who are Britain’s undecided voters?

They’re the group every party wants to win over - Britain’s undecided voters. But who are the millions of people who still don’t know which party to back on Thursday?

https://www.channel4.com/news/who-are-britains-undecided-voters

viques · 02/07/2024 23:39

“I do think that some transwomen are women.”

I am not a geneticist, so in these matters I defer to Professor Lord Robert Winston, Emeritus Professor at Imperial College, who has spent a life time working in the field of reproductive science and knows more than a bit about genetics, chromosomes and human biology and he is perfectly clear that the human race is binary, male and female and that sex is immutable.

viques · 02/07/2024 23:28

urbanbuddha · 02/07/2024 23:10

A dear friend of mine is trans.

And I am sure that your dear friend, being a sensible human being realises that since for women the issue is that we don’t know if the biological men coming into our spaces are dear friends or sexual perverts, your dear friend therefore understands that the only way women can be safe and feel safe is for all decent men to keep out of our spaces. That way, if men do insist on being in our spaces we know exactly what sort of men they are.

LaLoba · 02/07/2024 23:20

margegunderson · 02/07/2024 22:37

I brought it up on the doorstep. Candidate was cautious but didn't tell me I was a TERF. And this is in one of the wokest constituencies of the lot.

I brought it up on the doorstep. Said I’d been lifelong Labour and they’d lost me. Woman canvasser was ready to talk when she assumed it was the 20mph thing (In Wales, personally I like the change, living semi rurally happy to whizz along at national speed limit, but in built up areas it makes sense, bewildered that a speed limit would be a vote changer).

When I told her it was the Woman Problem she pretty much ran away, with me saying I’m sorry, you’re a woman too so I don’t want to fall out (I don’t why I said the last bit, social conditioning, eh). I think Welsh Labour have a don’t talk about it to ‘bigots’ cognitive dissonance thing happening. It’s not really happening if you run away and don’t listen.

Thankfully our long-standing Tory MP is a thoroughly decent sort who spends a lot of time getting to know his constituents and doing real things to help them, so my conscience is clear. In fact, I’m a bit embarrassed by my previous tribalism, if I’d looked at the candidates more closely without the current women’s rights issue being a factor, I’d still vote for him.

EveDeservesBetter · 02/07/2024 23:16

urbanbuddha · 02/07/2024 23:10

A dear friend of mine is trans.

My brother is trans. I still don't want to change beside him. And yes, he is a 'him' because people cannot change sex.

Hyperions · 02/07/2024 23:12

I'm sure they're lovely but they shouldn't expect to access facilities and services meant for the opposite sex.

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 02/07/2024 23:11

Geiyotue · 02/07/2024 22:42

I brought it up on my doorstep to my lib dem candidate. He told me, as he stormed off down my path, that he wouldn't talk to me about it. He said the same again when I emailed him.

I had a postal vote. I voted conservative because this issue is a deal breaker and the parties just won't engage and listen.

Lovely demonstration of an understanding of how democracy works by your Lib Dem man there.

urbanbuddha · 02/07/2024 23:10

A dear friend of mine is trans.

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 02/07/2024 23:09

margegunderson · 02/07/2024 22:37

I brought it up on the doorstep. Candidate was cautious but didn't tell me I was a TERF. And this is in one of the wokest constituencies of the lot.

Excellent! I brought it up on the doorstep as well and told them that now they could tell their cronies that it IS coming up on the doorstep and they’re losing votes because of it.

The Labour bloke tried to argue that the candidate believed in single sex spaces, so I could vote for him with a clear conscience, but I pointed out that a vote for Labour would be taken as a mandate by the party on this. Nah. Not on my watch.

The Lib Dem canvasser looked like he’d just turned 18. He was like a rabbit in the headlights and just scuttled off after a bit of umming and ahing about passing on my feedback.

AgathaMystery · 02/07/2024 23:09

allaboardtheplaybus · 02/07/2024 23:09

Single sex spaces and sports concern me but I do think that some trans women are women - it’s not a line in the sand for me.

Which ones?

about to ask the same. Is it like being ‘a bit dead’ ??

allaboardtheplaybus · 02/07/2024 23:09

Single sex spaces and sports concern me but I do think that some trans women are women - it’s not a line in the sand for me.

Which ones?

urbanbuddha · 02/07/2024 23:05

I’m going to mark my ballot paper with a tiny little - but recognisable - cross when I vote Labour on Thursday.
Single sex spaces and sports concern me but I do think that some trans women are women - it’s not a line in the sand for me.
I hope there will be detailed discussion and progress after the election. It’s a much more nuanced subject than either “side” allows. I’m more concerned about housing and health and it’s these issues which weaken my support.
Any thoughts of drifting towards one of the smaller parties or independents are trumped by the need to get rid of the truly unbelievable atrocious government the Tories have run. In my constituency that means voting Labour.

Pleasegotobed · 02/07/2024 23:02

Geiyotue · 02/07/2024 22:42

I brought it up on my doorstep to my lib dem candidate. He told me, as he stormed off down my path, that he wouldn't talk to me about it. He said the same again when I emailed him.

I had a postal vote. I voted conservative because this issue is a deal breaker and the parties just won't engage and listen.

My Lib Dem candidate was the same. He (genuinely) said if it causes risk to women then it would only be low numbers.
Oh that’s okay then?! He is predicted to win - I think I’m going to vote Tory who are the only real opposition. I hate the tories. But the Lib Dem’s will be a dangerous influence on labour.

Hyperions · 02/07/2024 22:51

I've emailed my labour candidate, no reply
greens - TWAW
Conservative - trans women are men and should stay out of women's stuff.
Lib Dem - TWAW but that's the party line, can't really rely on a candidate who can't speak freely. Also I emailed the local Lib Dem office who are fullon TRAs and they were all about the most vulnerable, be kind must include all women.

Geiyotue · 02/07/2024 22:42

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 02/07/2024 22:33

But this never comes up on the doorstep.

I brought it up on my doorstep to my lib dem candidate. He told me, as he stormed off down my path, that he wouldn't talk to me about it. He said the same again when I emailed him.

I had a postal vote. I voted conservative because this issue is a deal breaker and the parties just won't engage and listen.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/07/2024 22:41

A day late and a dollar short. It might have been a talking point 3 months ago.

margegunderson · 02/07/2024 22:37

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 02/07/2024 22:33

But this never comes up on the doorstep.

I brought it up on the doorstep. Candidate was cautious but didn't tell me I was a TERF. And this is in one of the wokest constituencies of the lot.

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 02/07/2024 22:33

But this never comes up on the doorstep.

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