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Kernackered · 03/07/2024 13:35

urbanbuddha · 02/07/2024 23:10

A dear friend of mine is trans.

My lovely husband is a man. Still don't want him in my changing room.

SnakesAndArrows · 03/07/2024 13:00

Lovelyview · 03/07/2024 11:43

I was going to spoil my ballot paper but now I think I'm going to vote Labour. I know they're not there yet but Kier Starmer has said men with a grc shouldn't be in female spaces, India Willoughby has thrown his toys out of the pram on Twitter, Wes Streeting gets it and the Darlington nurses aren't going away until the inevitable settlement in their favour. My nightmare now is that Labour would need the support of the Greens or Lib Dems in a coalition. Both of these parties are full-on batshit genderwoo and I don't want them to be in a position to negotiate. It may be the wrong choice and I will be holding my candidate to account on this but that's where I'm at.

Me too, OP.

But if my Labour candidate asks, I’m very dubious.

Rightsraptor · 03/07/2024 12:59

I've only just seen this' 'some transwomen women' 😂

Thank you that humorous (and incomprehensible) comment. It did make me chuckle.

I just wish it didn't have such devastating consequences for women.

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 03/07/2024 12:57

Chersfrozenface · 03/07/2024 12:39

Nah, this is a one-off to get a few more women to vote for Labour.

It'll be back to business as usual on Friday.

Yep, it’s a last minute sop to get us pesky women falling back in to line, before going back to business as usual on Friday. After all, there are so many other more important things to sort out, that there won’t possibly be time for thinking about women’s rights. Though there will be ample time to privilege men’s rights and all the other priorities won’t affect that.

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · 03/07/2024 12:51

SinnerBoy · 03/07/2024 11:10

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · Yesterday 22:33

But this never comes up on the doorstep.

Is that actually shorthand for:

"So I ran off, hands over my ears, chanting La la la! Not listening, bigot"?

Nailed it.

Faceplantagain · 03/07/2024 12:40

I'm in new boundaried constituency where it's all to play for, but is realistically between Conservative and Lib Dem with Greens as an outside chance due to a lot of local councillors. I've been canvassed twice. Greens - two older women - I said I couldn't vote for them due to their position on women. They said they wouldn't get into that, but they quite understood. Lib Dems - young bloke - I said the same, and he said "so are you planning to vote Conservative or Reform?" And, I couldn't stop myself saying "hell, no!". I'm taking from this that at least those 2 parties are getting enough feedback on the doorsteps that they realise it's an issue - whether that gets back to head office, who knows?? After local hustings last night, I will probably vote Lib Dem as the best chance to keep the Conservatives out, and also because our candidate appears to be a sensible woman who will be good at local level. She may be a secret terf or she may not, but its the best I can do.

Chersfrozenface · 03/07/2024 12:39

UtopiaPlanitia · 03/07/2024 12:36

Ach, he’s a wee dote 😍

I wish The Guardian had recognised sexed reality a lot sooner than this.

Nah, this is a one-off to get a few more women to vote for Labour.

It'll be back to business as usual on Friday.

UtopiaPlanitia · 03/07/2024 12:36

LaLoba · 03/07/2024 00:16

Look at the hateful little bigot. Punch that little Nazi Terf!

I’m so sorry, it’s been a long day. I’ll get my coat.

Ach, he’s a wee dote 😍

I wish The Guardian had recognised sexed reality a lot sooner than this.

Figment1982 · 03/07/2024 12:19

Not relevant to this debate but some inaccurate reporting there:

'About a quarter of the women who got in touch said they were still undecided, among them Alice, from the marginal seat of Mid Bedfordshire, where Labour could oust the Conservatives despite their current majority of 24,664.'

The current Mid Beds MP IS a Labour MP! He won it in the by-election last year.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/07/2024 12:06

Lovelyview · 03/07/2024 11:58

It is a red wall seat which swung to Tories but is likely to swing back to Labour with a strong vote for Reform. I'm a centre left voter and would have considered voting sdp or for a good independent but we don't have either in this constituency. I think reform is as likely to take votes from traditional labour voters as from Tories round here. No idea how the vote is going to pan out. The labour candidate hasn't replied to any of my questions and I think he's going to follow whatever the labour party whip tells him to do.

That's a tricky one. No idea what the answer is there. I would probably vote Labour in that situation but who knows. We can only do what feels right and hope for the best.

Lovelyview · 03/07/2024 11:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/07/2024 11:48

What is the likely outcome in your constituency?

I think it's incredibly unlikely that Labour will not win an overall majority and my fear is that the Lib Dems will be the official opposition.

I considered voting Tory to stop the Lib Dems getting in, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. If Labour had a chance of beating the Lib Dems in my constituency I might have held my nose and voted for them but that is never going to happen. I spoiled my ballot paper in the end but if the Lib Dems end up getting slightly more seats than the Tories I will probably regret not voting Tory.

It is a red wall seat which swung to Tories but is likely to swing back to Labour with a strong vote for Reform. I'm a centre left voter and would have considered voting sdp or for a good independent but we don't have either in this constituency. I think reform is as likely to take votes from traditional labour voters as from Tories round here. No idea how the vote is going to pan out. The labour candidate hasn't replied to any of my questions and I think he's going to follow whatever the labour party whip tells him to do.

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newtlover · 03/07/2024 11:57

I emailed ALL my candidates asking their views on the women's declarations relevant to their parties- I have had NO responses
Spoke to green canvasser, who sympathised- I suspect agreed- with me, and said he would chase it with the candidate- this was weeks ago, still no answer
Spoke to labour canvassers, they were a bit less supportive, in fact man no.1 said- I'll have to pass that on to the candidate, then man no 2 (I think an aide of the candidate) came and said - it's OK we support single sex spaces- they said they would get the candidate to reply to me- nothing

meanwhile my adult DC who believes TWAW emailed the labour candidate because they are worried about KS meeting JKR ('that evil witch!' I said 😆)
...instant response

meanwhile I had an excellent question drafted for the hustings ....that never happened

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 03/07/2024 11:56

AgathaMystery · 03/07/2024 11:03

On they not him. You hateful bigot.

as you were.

Sorry. I will do better. I’ve made a donation to Stonewall’s Gendered Butterflies and will prostrate myself in front of the rainbow flag for the rest of the day.

Chersfrozenface · 03/07/2024 11:55

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 03/07/2024 11:41

Too bloody late by the Guardian and obviously deliberately so.
See, we have raised it, but you all voted Labour anyway so evidently it's not that big an issue, and TWAW anyway.

Absolutely this. ^

Hyperions · 03/07/2024 11:51

I think it will be close in my constituency so I'm voting Tory, we need a viable opposition. And Ed Davies campaign buffoonery and TWAW has left me cold.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/07/2024 11:48

Lovelyview · 03/07/2024 11:43

I was going to spoil my ballot paper but now I think I'm going to vote Labour. I know they're not there yet but Kier Starmer has said men with a grc shouldn't be in female spaces, India Willoughby has thrown his toys out of the pram on Twitter, Wes Streeting gets it and the Darlington nurses aren't going away until the inevitable settlement in their favour. My nightmare now is that Labour would need the support of the Greens or Lib Dems in a coalition. Both of these parties are full-on batshit genderwoo and I don't want them to be in a position to negotiate. It may be the wrong choice and I will be holding my candidate to account on this but that's where I'm at.

What is the likely outcome in your constituency?

I think it's incredibly unlikely that Labour will not win an overall majority and my fear is that the Lib Dems will be the official opposition.

I considered voting Tory to stop the Lib Dems getting in, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. If Labour had a chance of beating the Lib Dems in my constituency I might have held my nose and voted for them but that is never going to happen. I spoiled my ballot paper in the end but if the Lib Dems end up getting slightly more seats than the Tories I will probably regret not voting Tory.

Hyperions · 03/07/2024 11:46

If Harriet Harmsn is in the Equality committee as seems likely under Starmer you can kiss goodbye to your rights. And safeguarding children will be a thing of the past

Lovelyview · 03/07/2024 11:43

I was going to spoil my ballot paper but now I think I'm going to vote Labour. I know they're not there yet but Kier Starmer has said men with a grc shouldn't be in female spaces, India Willoughby has thrown his toys out of the pram on Twitter, Wes Streeting gets it and the Darlington nurses aren't going away until the inevitable settlement in their favour. My nightmare now is that Labour would need the support of the Greens or Lib Dems in a coalition. Both of these parties are full-on batshit genderwoo and I don't want them to be in a position to negotiate. It may be the wrong choice and I will be holding my candidate to account on this but that's where I'm at.

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BeBraveLittlePenguin · 03/07/2024 11:41

Too bloody late by the Guardian and obviously deliberately so.
See, we have raised it, but you all voted Labour anyway so evidently it's not that big an issue, and TWAW anyway.

TWETMIRF · 03/07/2024 11:30

I keep hoping that someone will but they never do. Think they concentrate on the towns and just ignore the villages.

Seb Coe used to be my MP and I remember him coming in and having a drink while on the campaign trail. I only found out that he was a famous athlete at the 2012 Olympics when I asked why he'd suddenly popped up again.

SinnerBoy · 03/07/2024 11:16

We haven't had any canvassers for me to berate.

CantDealwithChristmas · 03/07/2024 11:14

My Labour candidate who I spoke to about it said it's coming up a lot on the doorstep.

Honestly, this from the Guardian???? This is, like, their Ozymandias moment. I love to see it.

SinnerBoy · 03/07/2024 11:10

StarmersAbsoluteTwaddle · Yesterday 22:33

But this never comes up on the doorstep.

Is that actually shorthand for:

"So I ran off, hands over my ears, chanting La la la! Not listening, bigot"?

AgathaMystery · 03/07/2024 11:04

LaLoba · 03/07/2024 00:16

Look at the hateful little bigot. Punch that little Nazi Terf!

I’m so sorry, it’s been a long day. I’ll get my coat.

😂😂😂😂

AgathaMystery · 03/07/2024 11:03

RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 03/07/2024 00:19

What a beauty! Maybe they’re trans? Have you tried tying a pink bow on him?

On they not him. You hateful bigot.

as you were.