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Why I'm voting Conservative

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jomartin281271 · 02/07/2024 15:23

Firstly, let me say, it pains me to admit this because I’m not a Tory. I’ve always looked upon myself as a slightly left of centre, live and let live, community based, floating voter. But the more I look at this election campaign, the more I’ve realised that, to me, this is a one issue election. Women’s rights.
Starmer has been asked countless times about women’s private spaces, on radio and on TV. Each time he’s done everything he can to avoid answering the question. In any one of these interviews, he could have made his position clear, particularly on that phone in last week where the caller Jane said she was sick of the twaddle that comes out of his mouth.
Now he’s being quoted in the Telegraph as having said that biological males should not use women’s public toilets. This is a typical move by a politician. Leave it until the last minute, so he can’t be quizzed on what he actually means and then twist and deny it afterwards. I don’t trust him.
I don’t want to vote Conservative. After Partygate and the chaos caused by that idiot Liz Truss, they need a good kicking. But they’re the only party that have consistently come down on the side of women. If Labour get in and shift the gender landscape, the changes they make could be irreparable.
In the Victorian era, they didn’t build public toilets for women. It was a way of keeping women chained to the home. This is the direction we’re heading in if we don’t stand up and put a stop to it. And I don’t want to look back on this in years to come and realise I could have voted against this shift, but I let my political views get in the way.

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walkingwithelephants · 03/07/2024 09:37

I am voting conservatives for exactly the same reason. I am a swing voter usually, but there is literally no one else to vote for if you are a woman! It is especially imperative if you have girls.

This.

If Labour get in you won't even be able to use the words 'woman' or 'girls' by the time of the next election, campaigning for our rights will be impossible.

Signalbox · 03/07/2024 09:18

WishIMite · 02/07/2024 19:40

And yet under the last Labour government we had Children's Centres, funding for local women's refuges and safe houses, efficient gynae services and less child poverty.

Yeah they also lied about WMD in Iraq. Bombed the shit out of that region killing thousands of women and children in the process and destabilised the whole of that region. The knock on effects to that awful war we are still feeling to this day.

Also there will be no magic money tree this time around. No gold reserves to sell (thanks to Gordon Brown). Labour will not be able to splash the cash in the same way that the last Labour government did. There is barely anything between Labour and Tory economic policies. There are going to be a lot of very disappointed Labour voters in 5 years time if they think the next 15 years of a Labour Gov will look anything like the Blair years.

ObliviousCoalmine · 03/07/2024 08:48

@ActivePeony I think you'll find that I said basing your decision to vote on thinking they give a shit about you is stupid.

If you feel that applies to you and are huffy about it, that's your look out.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2024 08:17

Andthereitis · 03/07/2024 08:12

Sadly this is a world wide phenomenon.

The world has been captured by this insanity.

We were starting to see policy change and Cass etc has been good but the amendment to the EqA won’t happen under Labour

Plus Labour created this mess with the GRA

Hummingbird75 · 03/07/2024 08:15

We have been brainwashed for months by the BBC and sky news, and I hope people see through the lies tbh.

Andthereitis · 03/07/2024 08:12

BlownItJellyHead · 02/07/2024 15:27

But they’re the only party that have consistently come down on the side of women

All the trans madness has happened on their watch though.

ETA: I'm not anti-Tory and will likely vote for them myself as the 'least terrible' option. But let's not pretend that they're in any way a friend to women.

Edited

Sadly this is a world wide phenomenon.

The world has been captured by this insanity.

Hummingbird75 · 03/07/2024 08:09

LunaNorth · 03/07/2024 07:46

I can’t vote Conservative.
I can’t vote Labour. I emailed my Labour candidate yesterday asking for clarity on his stance on Women’s Rights and as yet have not received a reply.
I can’t vote Green or Lib Dem.
The local independent is a woman who doesn’t even mention the issue in her literature and spelt ‘independent’ wrong on her leaflet.

I’m staying at home.

Not being able to spell independent is not inspiring. I don't blame you.

Hummingbird75 · 03/07/2024 08:08

I am voting conservatives for exactly the same reason. I am a swing voter usually, but there is literally no one else to vote for if you are a woman! It is especially imperative if you have girls.

ActivePeony · 03/07/2024 07:47

Corinthiana · 03/07/2024 07:33

All these threads may be counter productive. It's obvious why Conservatives would target MN and also focus on gender issues, thinking it's going to be an easy win.
Have you all considered that it may ensure a good turn out for Labour? People slightly apathetic now may be reminded on here how awful the last 14 years have been for all but the most privileged.

All these thread where women are discussing their rights and what may happen to them? Not counterproductive at all.

LunaNorth · 03/07/2024 07:46

I can’t vote Conservative.
I can’t vote Labour. I emailed my Labour candidate yesterday asking for clarity on his stance on Women’s Rights and as yet have not received a reply.
I can’t vote Green or Lib Dem.
The local independent is a woman who doesn’t even mention the issue in her literature and spelt ‘independent’ wrong on her leaflet.

I’m staying at home.

ActivePeony · 03/07/2024 07:45

Nappyvalley15 · 03/07/2024 06:01

I am not sure how Tories have "demonised" all of these groups of women.

I don't think there is anything more anti woman than not recognising we exist as a sex class.

This.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 03/07/2024 07:37

Great post itallwentwrong (yesterday 21:20)

Moot000 · 03/07/2024 07:36

Totally understandable OP.

Corinthiana · 03/07/2024 07:33

All these threads may be counter productive. It's obvious why Conservatives would target MN and also focus on gender issues, thinking it's going to be an easy win.
Have you all considered that it may ensure a good turn out for Labour? People slightly apathetic now may be reminded on here how awful the last 14 years have been for all but the most privileged.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2024 07:10

SolitaryBee · 02/07/2024 21:15

Nope. Every time I read a post like this it conjures up images of a froth flecked Lloyd Russell-Moyle screaming at his keyboard that women should just sit down shut up and do what they’re told.

Oh yeh him.

Midgegreenstreet · 03/07/2024 06:54

Guavafish1 · 03/07/2024 05:07

I feel they are anti-women.

They have demonised

Single mothers
Menopausal women
teenage girls
Waspi women

I think the list goes on....they have done nothing in 14 years to help women but what I've noticed is more misogyny and violence against women.

I'm a menopausal woman with a teenage daughter. Neither of us is feeling in the least bit demonised. I also have a teenage disabled son and he's not feeling demonised either.

On the other hand I have a young adult son with gender dysphoria and the Labour manifesto is promising to ban exploratory, holistic therapy for him. This would mean his former therapist (a thoughtful, principled practitioner who was a Tavistock whistle blower) would be operating illegally.

Nappyvalley15 · 03/07/2024 06:01

I am not sure how Tories have "demonised" all of these groups of women.

I don't think there is anything more anti woman than not recognising we exist as a sex class.

Nappyvalley15 · 03/07/2024 05:33

The hyperbole from posters like Guava is laughable.

Guavafish1 · 03/07/2024 05:07

I feel they are anti-women.

They have demonised

Single mothers
Menopausal women
teenage girls
Waspi women

I think the list goes on....they have done nothing in 14 years to help women but what I've noticed is more misogyny and violence against women.

jcakey · 03/07/2024 04:55

Thanks for posting this OP. The truth is, our political systems and parties are man-made and have never really been structured around women-centric policies. That's been particularly marked - and depressing - in this election campaign.

I can understand why left-leaning women might do any of the following - vote Tory because this is a red line and they are the only major party where the current leadership has been completely clear on where they stand, vote Labour in the hope that Keir is... thanks to JK and numerous other vocal women... starting to realise the seriousness of what he's proposing or spoil their ballot because there's nobody that represents them. I'm not going to disagree with anyone who does any of those things because there is no perfect solution in this election and we are arguing over the scraps from the (rich) man's table.

I'm somebody who, in the past, has been so passionate about the Greens I've gone door to door, leafleting on their behalf. Never again. What I feel about all the left-leaning and centrist parties (Labour, Lib Dems and - most of all - the Greens) is a sense of total and utter betrayal. They pretended they cared about women's rights... but that was all it was. Pretending.

When people point out the Tories are misogynists... well, in some senses that's true. There are Conservative MPs I'd cross the street to avoid. But sadly, it seems to be true of all political parties. There is not one among them who have consistently backed women on this issue - and some of them are still proudly refusing to see or admit to the damage they are doing, barring a few brave souls.

I can give people chapter and verse as to why a change of government is needed on almost every issue apart from this one. Like so many others, I've waited 14 years for this. And yet, now the moment is here, I don't know if I actually want a new government because the alternatives, for women, look so much bleaker. I'm not sure if it's any consolation that, for women in the US, the choice is even more depressing.

Anyway, basically what I'm trying to say is that you can't make a good decision because there isn't one. Good luck to all regulars here with whatever you decide and let's hope we somehow get the result we need.

Omlettes · 03/07/2024 00:44

And countless left under their own voilition including me.

PaperbackWrighter · 03/07/2024 00:43

I understand your point and find labour’s stance on gender laws worrying. However, I could not bring myself to vote for a government with such an appalling record, one of biggest issues for me would be the utter inhumanity of the Rwanda policy. But as soon as Labour gets in, they better get their house in order on gender!

Omlettes · 03/07/2024 00:39

SlothOnARope · 02/07/2024 21:11

Fair enough, but voting Labour and expecting anything better than their stated thinking is equally naive. It's just wishful thinking.

What the hell do you expect the Greens to do with their 1 possibly 3 MPs?

I agree about Labour which is why I'm spoiling my ballot.
Dont underestimate how GP can grow influence, Scotland would like to have a word.

Franzkafkascat · 03/07/2024 00:36

Absolutelyfractious · 02/07/2024 22:30

Me too OP.

For me it's absolutely a fundamental thing. Women's rights. And this is so obviously and blatantly flying in the face of them.

Men in women's sports, jails, toilets and changing rooms.

I can't get beyond it, I've tried believe me but I just can't. Why would I vote against something so fundamental? Particularly when I know how globally women are massively subjugated. These rights are so fragile, I'll never take them for granted again.

Well celebrate when we’re out of the ECHR if the tories win. And those fragile rights for all of us will soon disappear especially if you’re a certain colour or religion…

PaperbackWrighter · 03/07/2024 00:35

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