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Why I'm voting Conservative

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jomartin281271 · 02/07/2024 15:23

Firstly, let me say, it pains me to admit this because I’m not a Tory. I’ve always looked upon myself as a slightly left of centre, live and let live, community based, floating voter. But the more I look at this election campaign, the more I’ve realised that, to me, this is a one issue election. Women’s rights.
Starmer has been asked countless times about women’s private spaces, on radio and on TV. Each time he’s done everything he can to avoid answering the question. In any one of these interviews, he could have made his position clear, particularly on that phone in last week where the caller Jane said she was sick of the twaddle that comes out of his mouth.
Now he’s being quoted in the Telegraph as having said that biological males should not use women’s public toilets. This is a typical move by a politician. Leave it until the last minute, so he can’t be quizzed on what he actually means and then twist and deny it afterwards. I don’t trust him.
I don’t want to vote Conservative. After Partygate and the chaos caused by that idiot Liz Truss, they need a good kicking. But they’re the only party that have consistently come down on the side of women. If Labour get in and shift the gender landscape, the changes they make could be irreparable.
In the Victorian era, they didn’t build public toilets for women. It was a way of keeping women chained to the home. This is the direction we’re heading in if we don’t stand up and put a stop to it. And I don’t want to look back on this in years to come and realise I could have voted against this shift, but I let my political views get in the way.

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WishIMite · 02/07/2024 19:37

Average waits for gynaecology in my area is now 22 months.

The women's services in my local area have had their budgets slashed and most have closed. (And yes, their boards are quite capable of dealing with single sex services without government intervention anyway, thanks.)

The Tories do not give a flying fuck about women. They care about profit to shore up existing wealth inequalities. You are deluded if you think otherwise.

Signalbox · 02/07/2024 19:34

The tories do not give a shit about women.

Neither do Labour.

UpThePankhurst · 02/07/2024 19:29

You've seen how he's treated Rosie Duffield and let her be treated?

That's exactly what he'll do to all other non submissive, not-useful-to-men women. When a man shows you who he is, believe him.

lcakethereforeIam · 02/07/2024 19:27

I'm possibly to the left of Corbyn 😁 but baring the being a surprise commie on the ballot I'll painfully (literally I've knackered my ankle) be walking to the polling station and voting tory. It helps that Labour stand little chance here and, anyway, their candidate hasn't responded to my email. It's also always good to try something new.

UpThePankhurst · 02/07/2024 19:26

I am not spoiling my vote: the batshit left won't care if they win a mandate by only one vote. That merely abnegates my responsibility to women.

I'm a floating voter. It's going to the one party that right now is not absolutely fantastically misogynist, regards women as subhuman, and has a manifesto promising to destroy the rights and equality of half the population because of being controlled by a fringe extremist group and a belief in alternative realities and authoritarianism.

Campaign for sanity once Labour's in..... ffs, what do you think women have been doing for the past decade? They do not hear women's voices. They do not think women are fully human. They think child safeguarding should come a very poor second to the desires of the adults in an extremist political faction too.

ActivePeony · 02/07/2024 19:25

10% of the MPs were under investigation for sexual misconduct or rape. It's a joke to think they prioritise women!

This figure is not just Tory MPs.

LoudSnoringDog · 02/07/2024 19:25

The tories do not give a shit about women.

Look at violence against women and girls

Look at the number of domestic violence refuges having to close due to lack of funding.

Look at the continued gender pay gap.

Corinthiana · 02/07/2024 19:25

thestudio · 02/07/2024 16:13

You don't have to vote at all. Given other Tory policies I imagine the net gain to women if they get in again will be zero, if not in the minuses.

So you should not vote for them if you care about women. Add to that the impacts on all vulnerable groups .

Spoil your vote.

Well that's total waste of time.

ActivePeony · 02/07/2024 19:23

Signalbox · 02/07/2024 19:20

Me too OP. In my constituency Labour don’t stand a chance of winning so it’s between a Tory who is openly GC and a lib dem who is openly a TRA. I think Labour will win the election comfortably and I think we need some decent GC voices in opposition not an opposition who just wave all the gender nonsense through with zero challenge. So for me it’s a tactical vote for who will be better in opposition.

Yes we need GC MPs in the HoC of any and all stripes really. If Labour do as well as is predicted (I don't think they will) we shall need strong voices speaking up for women and girls to put the brakes on their madness.

Holeinamole · 02/07/2024 19:23

In a safe Labour seat (LD a distant second) but probably voting Tory because they have actually put up a decent candidate and because we’ll need an opposition that is not completely demoralised. I don’t trust Labour one little bit.

Parties change. It doesn’t make sense to be loyally devoted to one party for life. This is politics, not some sort of fandom, politics is about change and decisions for the future, and what Labour are offering just reeks of a betrayal foretold.

orchardgirl4 · 02/07/2024 19:23

The 5 year wait for rape cases, under the Tory government, and no prison spaces for convicted rapists, yeah sure they're on the side of women. Also, as a woman, I need healthcare, and the NHS has been trashing it for the last 14 years. Basing your vote on a single issue is just lazy and irresponsible. 10% of the MPs were under investigation for sexual misconduct or rape. It's a joke to think they prioritise women!

Signalbox · 02/07/2024 19:20

Me too OP. In my constituency Labour don’t stand a chance of winning so it’s between a Tory who is openly GC and a lib dem who is openly a TRA. I think Labour will win the election comfortably and I think we need some decent GC voices in opposition not an opposition who just wave all the gender nonsense through with zero challenge. So for me it’s a tactical vote for who will be better in opposition.

ActivePeony · 02/07/2024 19:20

SolitaryBee · 02/07/2024 16:19

For me the two most startling things I have learnt about all the left leaning parties (I include the SNP, greens and LibDems as well as Labour in that category) are:

  1. the level of intolerance and groupthink in all of them. No dissenting voices are tolerated.
  2. the inability to hear women’s voices, how little our opinions are considered, how little we seem to matter and how much we are actually despised by so many men.

I’m generally a left of centre floating voter, not very tribal, have voted for all the parties mentioned above depending on candidate and policies at one time or another. In this election I will vote Tory because I feel they have genuinely listened to women and thought about what we have been saying.

Yes it has been eye opening hasn't it? Left wing men are the worst for this.

BeachParty · 02/07/2024 19:18

@YahdahYahdayYoo
It's the SAME party though.
I vote for a party's values, whether they're in line with mine, whether we have the same core beliefs.
Not on whether I like the leader I not, it shouldn't be about Celebrity Politics or whatever!
It's not Britain's Got Talent or the X Factor for goodness sake.

ActivePeony · 02/07/2024 19:18

ScrollingLeaves · 02/07/2024 15:50

started to look like a vote-winner.

No, they began to roll back when a few started listening. The Cass review was commission by Sajid Javid because of growing alarm over harm to children, for example, not votes. Kemi Badenoch has put herself seriously in the way of reproach and anger, and shows far too much knowledge on the subject, to suggest she simply saw some easy to win votes out of her stance.

She has been terrific on this. I hope that she takes over from Sunak.

YahdahYahdayYoo · 02/07/2024 19:14

Rishi was not partying and vomiting up the walls during COVID. We know as he's teetotal.

He respects his wife and has two young girls.

Boris and more importantly Princess Nutnuts were reluctant to go after legislation touching on WR. Likely because of the wafty liberal company Nutnuts keeps.

Teresa had previously voted against gay marriage and later came to bitterly regret it. Her well meaning but ill thought through role in this saga can be explained by her trying to make amends.

The ball started rolling under a Labour government.

MPs of all stripes have been banging the #bekind drum for years. As PPs say this has been part of a global agenda (I can barely understand it)

We are where we are. Rishi is promising to give us a lot of what we want (for starters at least). I'm voting for him.

BeachParty · 02/07/2024 19:13

WishfulThunking · 02/07/2024 15:30

Above all explains why voting Tory to protect women is the path of insanity.

Yes "Voting Tory to protect women" is utter madness.
It's the complete opposite!!

IwantToRetire · 02/07/2024 18:45

BlownItJellyHead · 02/07/2024 15:27

But they’re the only party that have consistently come down on the side of women

All the trans madness has happened on their watch though.

ETA: I'm not anti-Tory and will likely vote for them myself as the 'least terrible' option. But let's not pretend that they're in any way a friend to women.

Edited

Honestly, yet another poster using the arguement even though everytime it is, other point out this is factually incorrect, so that yet another thread get derailed because of false information.

So as not to bore everyone who already knows it.

Labour bought in both the EA and the GRA (which are the problem)

Tories were going to amend the GRA to make self id easier.

Many women including those of FWR wrotes to say unacceptable and why - and if anything the Tories as much as mumsnet radicalised women!

Tories back pedalled. ie politicians listend to women

And over the next few years, particulary when Kemi Badennoch became women's ministers steps were taken to start the process of clarifying the EA.

Unfortunately the timing of the GE stopped this.

This doesn't mean the Tories are the best party in the world, but factually they have done more for women AND HAVE LISTENED.

It is Labour who created this problem and it is more than likely that if they get back into power, they will reverse the Tory back pedalling and bring in self id.

SolitaryBee · 02/07/2024 16:19

For me the two most startling things I have learnt about all the left leaning parties (I include the SNP, greens and LibDems as well as Labour in that category) are:

  1. the level of intolerance and groupthink in all of them. No dissenting voices are tolerated.
  2. the inability to hear women’s voices, how little our opinions are considered, how little we seem to matter and how much we are actually despised by so many men.

I’m generally a left of centre floating voter, not very tribal, have voted for all the parties mentioned above depending on candidate and policies at one time or another. In this election I will vote Tory because I feel they have genuinely listened to women and thought about what we have been saying.

CelesteCunningham · 02/07/2024 16:15

Fortunately when it comes to voting Tory you have 14 years of evidence to review.

What do you think they have done for violence against women and girls, equal pay, abortion rights, healthcare, children living in poverty in that time?

thestudio · 02/07/2024 16:13

You don't have to vote at all. Given other Tory policies I imagine the net gain to women if they get in again will be zero, if not in the minuses.

So you should not vote for them if you care about women. Add to that the impacts on all vulnerable groups .

Spoil your vote.

UtilitarianNameChange · 02/07/2024 16:08

(Not that the GC Lords being a cross bench mixture should change OPs vote, I just wanted to credit a few of the consistent pro-reality voices!)

I’m probably ballot spoiling on Thursday, but it’s not a seat that is going to change occupant anyway.

Halfemptyhalfling · 02/07/2024 16:08

Government is about many issues not just one. the conservative party partied and vomited up the wall while people were dying of COVid so wouldn't be my choice. This one issue can be campaigned on after the election

ScribblingPixie · 02/07/2024 16:05

UtilitarianNameChange · 02/07/2024 16:03

Tbf the pro biological sex Lords have been a mixed bag of Tory and others.

Robert Winston is Labour, Lewis Moonie was one of the first to stand up against TRAs and left Labour in 2019, Claire Fox is a non-affiliated Peer.

I’m sure there are more but CBA to look them up right now.

That is true. I was thinking of Baroness Nicholson and those she rallied.

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