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Smear appointment reminder with a Mx

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catin8oots · 02/07/2024 12:34

Have a routine smear booked at my local surgery and just received a reminder text saying it will be with Mx Firstname Surname.

I have no idea if this person is a biological woman or a biological man.

Can I call and ask?

OP posts:
Zippedeedooda · 02/07/2024 19:59

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:47

I mean, why didn’t you take it up with them? Things won’t change if you just let this happen.

Well obviously I did.
I always responded with ‘ that’s not a question that’s relevant’ or ‘ you really can’t ask that’.
When I invariably didn’t get the job I always wrote and asked why referencing the question asked and I have spoken and written to the ARB about it on many occasions.

Heres a great example for you
We have to be registered with the ARB to practice. Reg charge is made each year.
I gave birth to twins and because I was signed off early in my pregnancy took more than a year off and got a letter telling me my registration was cancelled as I hadn’t paid my yearly fee. I phoned them to say I was on maternity and was told I’d have to sit an exam and do an interview to re register. My money was one day late and there was no give for women on maternity, nothing! I wouldn’t mind but my office usually paid but decided that year it was a waste as I wasn’t working for them at the time🤯.

Heres another
We have to do yearly CPD to maintain registration. My office booked me into a lecture on roofing. I went along (£250 cost) to find out I wasn’t allowed in as the ARB had booked a mens club for the lecture and no women were allowed. What are they doing using a gentleman’s club for their lectures!

That’s the utter crap some of us have to put up with all the time.

apologies OP for the derail

but I do notice many people have no idea how some industries still take the p…
and constantly get away with it even from their awarding bodies.

Hibernatalie · 02/07/2024 19:59

Est1990 · 02/07/2024 15:35

I genuinely can't understand why so many women want a female doing a Medical procedure other than that you are literally sexualising a Medical procedure.
What if it's end up being a lesbian?🤣

I wouldn't mind a lesbian doing my smear test at all but I wouldn't let a man do it - even if he was gay. It hasn't nothing to do with sexual attraction.

buttnut · 02/07/2024 19:56

Chaperone or no chaperone I would never have a smear performed by a male nurse/dr

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:51

334bu · 02/07/2024 19:43

Well I’m glad I didn’t insist the consultant who performed the emergency episiotomy and ventouse delivery during labour was a natural born woman. Time being of the essence somewhat. Thanks to his skills both me and my baby survived 🙃

This would only be relevant to this situation if you had been alone with this male doctor.

So patients have the right to a chaperone and in my experience are always asked if they are happy to continue without.

Does this mean that if your medical professional was trans but a chaperone was present, that would be ok?

I have no idea how many appointments I’ve had with male doctors over the years but I’ve never asked for a chaperone.

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:47

Zippedeedooda · 02/07/2024 19:44

That poster is me.

Ive been in my own private practice a few years now but I had interviews about 5 years ago to continue in general practice for others
It happened at, I would say, let me think, every interview.!! At one they didn’t ask until the second interview.
I even took to removing my wedding ring and keeping my hands down.

and Yes I know they are not allowed to and so do they but they still ask

Yes! Women in architecture is crap!

Edited

I mean, why didn’t you take it up with them? Things won’t change if you just let this happen.

Bournetilly · 02/07/2024 19:47

Maybe it’s just the text system and they haven’t selected ms/ miss/ Mrs for her yet, she could be new.

I agree if you would have been fine with the nurse being Mr then why did you need to ring the surgery? You didn’t mind if the nurse was a man or woman.

Zippedeedooda · 02/07/2024 19:44

BeachParty · 02/07/2024 19:32

It's really not, that poster must have been referring to years ago as it's definitely not acceptable to ask that nowadays!

That poster is me.

Ive been in my own private practice a few years now but I had interviews about 5 years ago to continue in general practice for others
It happened at, I would say, let me think, every interview.!! At one they didn’t ask until the second interview.
I even took to removing my wedding ring and keeping my hands down.

and Yes I know they are not allowed to and so do they but they still ask

Yes! Women in architecture is crap!

334bu · 02/07/2024 19:43

Well I’m glad I didn’t insist the consultant who performed the emergency episiotomy and ventouse delivery during labour was a natural born woman. Time being of the essence somewhat. Thanks to his skills both me and my baby survived 🙃

This would only be relevant to this situation if you had been alone with this male doctor.

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 02/07/2024 19:42

I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP gets banned from their surgery.

For what? She called up to confirm her smear test was being done by a female - loads of people ask for that all the time.

buttnut · 02/07/2024 19:41

I had male healthcare workers involved in my traumatic birth and tbh I DID care, it did make me feel a lot more uncomfortable and vulnerable and exposed. I had no choice and obviously the priority was my baby and safety in that position… but it still made the experience worse for me 🤷‍♀️

Can anyone explain what is specifically wrong with a woman only feeling comfortable with a female for an intimate procedure? Who does it hurt exactly??

Zippedeedooda · 02/07/2024 19:39

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:35

Because it’s about the skills and experience the medical professional has for carrying out any given procedure, nothing else.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP gets banned from their surgery. I’m following with interest.

There are lots of women around to perform intimate care. It’s part of the nhs ‘constitution’ that we have the right to chose who carries that out.

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:38

catin8oots · 02/07/2024 19:26

This is interesting and I'm reflecting.

If it had been Mrs/Ms Keri Surname I wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

If it was Mr Keri Surname I would have thought - oh that's not the usual, a male nurse doing a smear but I'm okay with that (I may have given the first name some thought but I also have a unisex name so not really that much)

It's the fact that they are using Mx that it just made me think. Why conceal your sex? Deliberately? For a procedure that is traumatic for many women? Why would you want to confuse them like that? What do you have to gain by concealing your sex. And yes, to me and the majority of women - sex does matter!

If you weren’t bothered if it was male or female, why phone and ask?

BreatheAndFocus · 02/07/2024 19:37

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:35

Because it’s about the skills and experience the medical professional has for carrying out any given procedure, nothing else.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP gets banned from their surgery. I’m following with interest.

No, it’s not. Some women are not permitted or don’t wish to have this intimate procedure done by a male person and that’s a choice they’re allowed to make.

SavingTheBestTillLast · 02/07/2024 19:36

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:27

Well I’m glad I didn’t insist the consultant who performed the emergency episiotomy and ventouse delivery during labour was a natural born woman. Time being of the essence somewhat. Thanks to his skills both me and my baby survived 🙃

Likewise I had a male doctor for my vaginal birth and sewing up after although no one asked if that was OK ( I was out of it by the time I got to the hospital so in no fit state to say anything )

Would I have asked for a women if it wasn’t so rushed and desperate, yes definitely !

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:35

PepeParapluie · 02/07/2024 19:30

How is this relevant to the issue OP has asked about?

Because it’s about the skills and experience the medical professional has for carrying out any given procedure, nothing else.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP gets banned from their surgery. I’m following with interest.

BeachParty · 02/07/2024 19:32

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:31

Not recently, surely?

Please someone tell me that nobody thinks it’s still ok to ask women if they are married in an interview?!!

It's really not, that poster must have been referring to years ago as it's definitely not acceptable to ask that nowadays!

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:31

Zippedeedooda · 02/07/2024 19:26

At an interview they are not allowed to ask.
I have been asked and simply said I think it’s irrelevant
The interviewer knew they had no right to ask and moved on.

I think if you appreciate why married women are so often discriminated against whilst trying to get a job you would appreciate why women do not want companies to know this.
Its interesting that they rarely ask if you have a partner, for some reason marriage still defines you are about to have or already have kids!?

I had one that tried to work it out rather deceitfully by asking me had I moved for the outstanding schools…….cheeky!

Not recently, surely?

Please someone tell me that nobody thinks it’s still ok to ask women if they are married in an interview?!!

Choochoo21 · 02/07/2024 19:30

I think a healthcare professional going by Mx is absolutely awful and shouldn’t be allowed!

I have no issues with a man performing my smear but I would still like to know beforehand and I know that there are many, many women who would be uncomfortable with this.

PepeParapluie · 02/07/2024 19:30

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:27

Well I’m glad I didn’t insist the consultant who performed the emergency episiotomy and ventouse delivery during labour was a natural born woman. Time being of the essence somewhat. Thanks to his skills both me and my baby survived 🙃

How is this relevant to the issue OP has asked about?

CaptainOliviaBenson · 02/07/2024 19:30

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:27

Well I’m glad I didn’t insist the consultant who performed the emergency episiotomy and ventouse delivery during labour was a natural born woman. Time being of the essence somewhat. Thanks to his skills both me and my baby survived 🙃

What does any of that have to do with this?

ItsNotInMyMind · 02/07/2024 19:27

Well I’m glad I didn’t insist the consultant who performed the emergency episiotomy and ventouse delivery during labour was a natural born woman. Time being of the essence somewhat. Thanks to his skills both me and my baby survived 🙃

Zippedeedooda · 02/07/2024 19:26

FeelingHotHotHotFeelingHotHotHot · 02/07/2024 17:49

Yes. It's very silly to try to say Mx or Ms to 'try to hide your marital status.'

Do you think people won't find out when you are interviewed (if you are applying for a job?)

Or are you going to lie to them and say you're single when you're married?

So weird. Not wanting people to know whether you're single or married. Confused

Edited

At an interview they are not allowed to ask.
I have been asked and simply said I think it’s irrelevant
The interviewer knew they had no right to ask and moved on.

I think if you appreciate why married women are so often discriminated against whilst trying to get a job you would appreciate why women do not want companies to know this.
Its interesting that they rarely ask if you have a partner, for some reason marriage still defines you are about to have or already have kids!?

I had one that tried to work it out rather deceitfully by asking me had I moved for the outstanding schools…….cheeky!

catin8oots · 02/07/2024 19:26

Fireangels · 02/07/2024 18:52

I’m just curious, and not wishing to offend you, but my understanding is that you had doubts about the gender of the clinician because you were given the title Mx before the name.
if you had been told the person was called Ms/Mrs/Miss Keri, or Nurse Keri, would you have had the same concerns? A biological male transgender person could choose to use any of these terms.
Of course it matters to many women (and men) who is treating them for many reasons so practices and hospitals should be much more open about this.
An interesting post. Thank you for raising the subject.

This is interesting and I'm reflecting.

If it had been Mrs/Ms Keri Surname I wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

If it was Mr Keri Surname I would have thought - oh that's not the usual, a male nurse doing a smear but I'm okay with that (I may have given the first name some thought but I also have a unisex name so not really that much)

It's the fact that they are using Mx that it just made me think. Why conceal your sex? Deliberately? For a procedure that is traumatic for many women? Why would you want to confuse them like that? What do you have to gain by concealing your sex. And yes, to me and the majority of women - sex does matter!

OP posts:
Chariothorses · 02/07/2024 19:05

To correct poster above (sorry can't find post) who said we can't refer to someone's sex, the secrecy clause in the GRA is limited to those who find out in an official capacity.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/contents
And there's exceptions to that too eg crime www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/1020/pdfs/uksiem_20211020_en.pdf

It doesn't make the rest of us deny reality and pretend Joe Bloggs who we know is a man, is suddenly a woman just because he says so, is wearing a dress or gets a certificate. You can't force other people to lie or get collective amnesia (trans lobby groups like to pretend it's males who say they are women who suffer harassment, but anyone who has followed this know the death/ rape threats and insults mainly go one way- from trans activist groups towards women). Maya Forstater wrote about the secrecy clause here:

thecritic.co.uk/secrets-and-lies/