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Starmer tw don't have the right to use women only toilets

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lcakethereforeIam · 02/07/2024 00:58

It's a headline in the Telegraph. Unfortunately when I archive it it goes to an article about that twat Ashworth refusing to answer. So, I've screenshot the headline

Starmer tw don't have the right to use women only toilets
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Floisme · 02/07/2024 08:19

EasternStandard · 02/07/2024 07:28

There is no legal adjustment to do this so what are they talking about?

It’s just words without legislative change

It’s just words without legislative change

Absolutely. The issue for me is the lack of legal consensus about what the Equality Act means by 'sex' and specifically what is changed by possessing a GRC.

It's the law that's the problem. Tossing in the word 'biological' - which as far as I'm aware, isn't mentioned in the EA - doesn't change the fact that the law isn't clear.

Labour could promise to clarity the Equality Act, and a year or so ago (if I remember correctly) they were broadly supportive of the idea doing so. Now they say it's not necessary. Why?

Boudiccaofsteel · 02/07/2024 08:19

ArabellaScott · 02/07/2024 07:40

Yes. Loud and clear. If you care about women tell us how you'll fix things.

Because currently every fucker, including your pals at Stonewall, think men DO have the right to use women's spaces.

There's a bunch of nurses would like to know how you're going to fix it so there's no men in their changing rooms.

Exactly and another bunch of cowardly firms that avoid any controversy by just making everything mixed sex ...

if we actually had a BBC and other press that considers women human this would have been a question time special where they were all grilled on this. Preferably by Ben Coooer KC
i find this a difficult topic to explain to people as there are so many strands to go through .. the convoluted legislation, the overlay of case law, the capture of every branch of government, health and education and professional regulators . The bias of the mainstream media. The average person in the street has not got a clue what is going on and it is so unbelievable that we have rapists in women's prisons that you sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist.

it is a total failure of democracy that this is not front and centre of the election campaign

InvisibleBuffy · 02/07/2024 08:19

I'm guessing that somewhere in Labour HQ, someone has looked at some polling results and realised that actually, no, they can't count on the votes of left wing women. Now, they're reverse ferreting all over the shop.
I don't trust a single word of it

FigRollsAlly · 02/07/2024 08:12

Yes, if he’s always said this he must have been saying it in Klingon or something because, Keir, nobody heard you! Or maybe this is a case of your truth being different from ours.

UpThePankhurst · 02/07/2024 08:10

Cue fast phone calls from Labour HQ to those orgs: 'quick, performatively kick off! They're on to us!'

They really don't seem to get that women are sentient beings.

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InThePottingShed · 02/07/2024 08:07

For those who don’t do X

Starmer tw don't have the right to use women only toilets
UpThePankhurst · 02/07/2024 08:02

Yes he's floundering. And obfusticating. He didn't specify which spaces at all.

And he's a lawyer. Captain Flipflop is absolutely famous for saying one thing one day and then totally backtracking the next day, and let's listen for the deafening howls of Stonewall and Mermaids....?

Gosh. Aren't they quiet? It's like they know and have been promised that he's just saying it to get into power.

He's following Blair's (and Cameron's) example of being a wholly untrustworthy used car salesman who will say whatever helps his interests moment to moment.

NoWordForFluffy · 02/07/2024 07:59

Boccare · 02/07/2024 07:37

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Tabloid has a specific meaning, which The Telegraph doesn't fall into.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2024 07:45

GCAcademic · 02/07/2024 07:33

Clearly the election stategy is to attempt to appease one group one day, and the other the next day.

He doesn’t know what the problem is

ArabellaScott · 02/07/2024 07:41

GCAcademic · 02/07/2024 07:33

Clearly the election stategy is to attempt to appease one group one day, and the other the next day.

Yes, and manifesto promises are all to simplify the GRA. Nothing about keeping men out of women's spaces.

ArabellaScott · 02/07/2024 07:40

Floisme · 02/07/2024 06:39

If you commit to clarifying what the Equality Act says, Keir Starmer, then I will listen. You've got 2 days.

Yes. Loud and clear. If you care about women tell us how you'll fix things.

Because currently every fucker, including your pals at Stonewall, think men DO have the right to use women's spaces.

There's a bunch of nurses would like to know how you're going to fix it so there's no men in their changing rooms.

Boccare · 02/07/2024 07:37

UtopiaPlanitia · 02/07/2024 01:37

I think the The Telegraph is more commonly considered a broadsheet rather than a tabloid.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/07/2024 07:36

GCAcademic · 02/07/2024 07:33

Clearly the election stategy is to attempt to appease one group one day, and the other the next day.

Just like with Brexit then.

Myalternate · 02/07/2024 07:34

He had his fingers crossed 🤞 when he answered that question.
I don’t trust any politician.

GCAcademic · 02/07/2024 07:33

Clearly the election stategy is to attempt to appease one group one day, and the other the next day.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/07/2024 07:31

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/07/2024 07:29

Pretty much. At least we know his position today, who knows what tomorrow will bring?

And the problem with that is that if his position today is that women are entitled to single sex spaces and on Friday his position is that we aren't, there's nothing we can do about that.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 02/07/2024 07:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/07/2024 06:58

He's just making it up as he goes along.

Pretty much. At least we know his position today, who knows what tomorrow will bring?

EasternStandard · 02/07/2024 07:28

There is no legal adjustment to do this so what are they talking about?

It’s just words without legislative change

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 02/07/2024 07:10

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 02/07/2024 01:54

The response from Stonewall et al will tell us if this is real...

my reading is that KS didn't say women's toilets but "women's spaces"

Stonewall and co gone suspiciously quiet. Which hasn't gone unnoticed:

"Have you noticed @keirstarmer using the term ‘protecting spaces for biological women’. That’s the kind of language that normally gets howls of derision from Stonewall and accusations of transphobia. Not a peep from the main trans rights groups. Silence.

What’s the deal here? Stonewall gives Starmer an easy ride so he can appease troublesome women voters and then it’s full steam ahead with the trans agenda once he’s in number 10?"

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ScrapeMyArse · 02/07/2024 07:07

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 02/07/2024 01:54

The response from Stonewall et al will tell us if this is real...

my reading is that KS didn't say women's toilets but "women's spaces"

This is so important.

And they've been weirdly quiet so far.

I imagine there's been lots of secret meetings.

JanefromLondon1 · 02/07/2024 07:02

Doingmybest12 not someone who puts the rights of a few men above all women for a start.

Blar Blar Blar waffle waffle waffle, I've always said this - erm no Keir you haven't.

I want him, Raynor and the rest of them on TV actually answering straight questions around this issue so if he's not the leader anymore Raynor can't come in and push through what she wants as she's fully captured. No stuttering, no twaddle, just straight answers around protecting us.

And I think we are owed a reason as to why it has taken this long to put out this statement and who was pushing the TWAW agenda in the Labour Party.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/07/2024 06:58

He's just making it up as he goes along.

SpanielintheWorks · 02/07/2024 06:58

perhaps the question the press should ask is will you make Rosie Duffield the Minister for Women?

Or would he go for Eddie Izzard?

MissMaryBennett · 02/07/2024 06:58

It is great if he is saying that now.

BUT he is clearly lying about ‘always said’.

There are so many other phrases he could use instead of ‘always said’.

Or he could have actually written a clear manifesto!

So I am not convinced.

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