Miriam Cates

Thanks Scrolling - it certainly seems that Cassie does not pay attention to the opinions of gay men when it comes to the harmful conflation of anti-homosexual torture practices and psychotherapeutic support.

@CassieMaddox · Today 13:43

"Conversion therapy" is an accepted term for a load of practices aiming to change someone's sexuality. It's nothing to do with "mental health practice". Why would you want to take away the words to talk about how gay people are abused?

You are seeing things the wrong way round imo.

If you want to see how a gay young person might be abused, by a ‘ban’ on conversion therapy, read this by a gay man and a lawyer, Denis Kavanagh, of the Gay Men’s Network, who writes very clearly and eloquently about it.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6200252604e9795287de2ada/t/6671b5cc373b6025fffcbbec/1718728141412/GMN+Labour+Party+Manifesto+Response+2024+Branded+V2.pdf

Miriam Cates brought up the harm Mermaids was causing young people during PMQs in 2022. Did you know the founder of Mermaids had a possibly gay son whose feminine tastes repelled his father? They took him to be castrated abroad when he was sixteen. ( MC did not bring this personal story up however - just the harm of binders, puberty blockers, and the pathway to surgeries and some other points see clip posted previously .)

No praying could have ever been more designed to ‘convert’ than what happened to that boy, or others like him, nor any prayers competed and won against those parents in a harm-done competition.

This MC story was originally brought out by tras in 2022 because she dared to bring Mermaids into public scrutiny during PMQs.

I was mistaken about the thread. Oct 2022 M C asked a question of Liz Truss.
Miriam Cates had brought up all the harm Mermaids had doing to children. The clip is here:
x.com/CforWomenUK/status/1580164617401032704

Transactivists had fought back by tweeting about the church M C had once belonged to.

Agree it is a hit piece. I attend a church but am not involved in the running of it. I have no idea what all the different groups and sub-groups get up to. I would be horrified if I found anything like gay conversion going on and would raise a complaint somehow but as one of our clergy regularly attends Pride and spouts gender ideology from the pulpit I am not too worried about the demon-worriers type of conversion. Telling gay kids they might be a different sex is a possibility but I am not repsonisble for that either. I go to commune with God not the church hierarchy.

We need to stop this guilt by association. It is what the TRAs do.

It’s a deliberate conflation by those who want to outlaw exploratory therapy for gender distressed kids.

Pretty sad to see you perpetuate it on FWR.

Currently, Church of England doctrine doesn’t allow same sex marriage. This is legal.

Church discourages sex outside marriage. Also legal.
Some people who are same sex attracted and feel they can neither marry in church nor have sex outside marriage seek counselling, prayer support, exploratory conversations about it.
This is also legal.

If I were part of such a church I would expect teaching and ministry to be available for those who seek it.

If I were part of such a church I may not immediately realise that the teaching was straying towards oppression. Concerns would not be widely discussed because of safeguarding, ironically.

I may only notice it after becoming a trustee, for example.

If I became aware of such a thing in my church, I absolutely would not bandy it about. I’d go to the safeguarding officer and the governing body.

It was October 2022 when all this about Miriam Cates was brought up before.

At that time it was because she asked a question to Rishi Sunak about the Ban Conversion Therapy Bill.

It was discussed on Mumsnet at the time with details :
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4653634-miriam-cates-question-to-pm?reply=120708442&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

I'm a little puzzled as to why people are trying to prove Cates' 'innocence' here or that she isn't connected to these church practices. It's hardly breaking news, is it? 'MP who opposes ban on gay conversion therapy was part of a church that, er, practised gay conversion therapy'.

No shit, Sherlock.

Yes, I heard it some time ago and it was all discussed here.

The orthodox/biblical teachings are that sex should only take place within marriage and that marriage is lifelong and between a man and a woman. Obviously the latter precludes homosexuals from having sex as they cannot get married and that is no small thing. Heterosexual sex outside marriage is just as much of a ‘sin’. But any ‘sin’ is a problem so ‘living transformed lives’ does not just apply to sex, it also applies to lying, greed, pride, putting worldly things before God… so yes, much prayer is about conversion from ‘worldly things’ to ‘Godly things’.

The proposed Scottish Government definition of conversion therapy would encompass a church minister admonishing a church member who was having a (heterosexual) extra-marital affair, or a parents telling their teenage daughter “you are not going out in that”

I had no time for Cates before this news anyway. I'll be delighted if she loses her seat.

Conversion ‘therapy’ doesn’t exist.

Stop conflating torture with mental health practice.

Within the PLP there are a number of practising catholics and Muslims, as well as a smattering of evangelical Christians. They will tend towards being personally opposed to abortion. Given that the LP needs to gain 126 seats for a majority and is forecast to win many more, the number of those with an objection is likely to grow.

However it’s largely irrelevant. I’m not complacent about abortion rights, but there is no real appetite for restricting them. The U.K. is also not the US or parts of mainland Europe where politicians’ religious affiliations are of interest and various faith groups, generally the church, have much influence.
In addition, if you are going to argue that the Tories have had 14 years to fix the Equality Act, as you have, then they have also had 14 years to restrict abortion. They haven’t.

i’m seeing a lot of anti abortion chatter from IDPOL leftists under the guise of disability rights, sadly.

Don't forgert Conservative peer Baroness Nicholson's proposed bill to lower the gestational time limit for abortion to twelve weeks.

I assume the adults involved attended through their own free will?

I'm just going to repost this;

OvaHere · Today 00:07
''Not a fan of religion so I'm not going to defend churches like this. I wouldn't be a member of one.

''The article is a bit of a hit piece on Cates though. They even admit the alleged incident took place 2 years before she was a trustee. They don't seem to be able to directly link her to what was happening.''

The new genderist secular “religion” seems to me to hold all the dangers of older religions and of authoritarian sects. It proselytises aggressively, targets vulnerable children, is highly self-righteous and condemnatory of other worldviews, and pushes for laws that have negative impacts on some sections of society. What I don’t see is much internal or external debate; instead, it tries to close down debate. This is a sign of an immature religion which is not secure enough to welcome challenge, and is typical of rigid sectarianism.