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Survey finds 48pc of those who backed Labour in 2019 support Tory pledge to amend Equality Act to protect single-sex spaces

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IwantToRetire · 01/07/2024 17:19

A survey of 2,146 voters by PeoplePolling found 48 per cent of those who backed Labour in 2019 supported the Tory manifesto pledge to amend the Equality Act to protect single-sex spaces such as lavatories and changing rooms. Just 20 per cent opposed it.

Meanwhile, more Labour voters rejected than supported the party’s manifesto proposal to amend the law to make it easier for people to change sex on birth certificates, with 40 per cent opposing it and 35 per cent in support.

Full story https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/30/labour-voters-closer-to-tory-stance-trans-rights-survey

Also at https://archive.ph/p4lE3

Survey was commissioned by Sex Matters and tables, charts, etc., published here https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/new-poll-finds-voters-want-to-make-the-equality-act-clear/

New poll finds voters want to make the Equality Act clear - Sex Matters

Attitudes to sex and gender policies, June 2024 Attitudes to clarifying the Equality Act, by previous voting Attitudes to making it easier to change birth certificates, by previous voting Attitudes to clarifying the Equality Act by age group Attitudes...

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/new-poll-finds-voters-want-to-make-the-equality-act-clear/

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NoWordForFluffy · 02/07/2024 06:03

Pourquoise · 01/07/2024 23:15

Then why comment?
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This thread is about the interesting survey results, which you have dismissed out of hand because of the company which undertook the survey. Why shouldn't I comment on you dismissing the results out of hand? You do know you're on Mumsnet, and discussion is what happens?

This is very much an issue with the left: dismissive of anybody they deem to be unworthy, rather than just paying attention and listening to what's going on around them.

God, I'm dreading the next 5 years.

UtopiaPlanitia · 02/07/2024 01:49

Ta very much for that video Tempest - I'll have a wee watch of it tomorrow.

TempestTost · 02/07/2024 01:46

It's also an excellent example of why many people think the political right seems to be offering more intellectual meat than the left is at the moment.

TempestTost · 02/07/2024 01:44

This seems like the perfect place to post the Matthew Goodwin interview with Triggernometry. This is the one after the last election, that Labour lost - where he talked about how the Labour people he presented his information to were uninterested and dismissive. Unlike the Tories who paid attention and asked questions.

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Matthew Goodwin: Why Labour Lost the Election

💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 2019 general election breakdown with, returning guest, Matthew Goodwin. We recommend Matthew's book: Nati...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?themeRefresh=1&v=3kf1YKeq7lA

IwantToRetire · 02/07/2024 00:44

I think that as with everything else it will depend on whether the media take it up.

So far all the right(?) wing papers have printed articles about the survey, ie Telegraph, Mail etc..

The results will only get traction if a radio or tv interviewer uses it as a basis for a question.

And I am afraid to say the media interviewers are usually so dumb or think we are so dumb that they couldn't manage a slightly more sophisticated question than the nice simple one of can women have a penis.

To try and frame a quesiton that says Labour supporters actually want the Tory policy of single sex spaces and the GRA, what is your comment is unlikely to be asked.

Dont forget, over and above how inadequate many of our politicians are, the biggest failure in this country is the abysmal standard of reporting. Everything is dumbed down to personalities etc..

However, for the future, we are going to need this information once Labour and their ex Stonewall politcy director starts to make getting a GRC easier.

I included the relevant link to the Sex Matters web page for anyone who wants to download or copy.

Even just the charts.

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TuftonStreet · 01/07/2024 23:26

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 23:14

You'll have to fight my dog. He loves socks!

Your dog loves socks but the socks that he loves belong to us.

Pourquoise · 01/07/2024 23:15

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 23:13

I really really don't care about your Tufton paranoia!

Then why comment?
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NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 23:14

TuftonStreet · 01/07/2024 23:11

Don't worry. We are all powerful and we have all the socks that we need. We even have your socks. Mwah haha!

You'll have to fight my dog. He loves socks!

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 23:13

Pourquoise · 01/07/2024 23:12

Matthew Goodwin is the sole director of PeoplePolling, he is also a director of The Legatum Institute which is affiliated with Taxpayer's Alliance (55 Tufton St) & the Institute of Economic Affairs (right wing think tank). However you paint it Labour won't be paying attention to any of his polls.

Here he is speaking at the much derided National Conservatism conference last year.

I really really don't care about your Tufton paranoia!

Pourquoise · 01/07/2024 23:12

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 22:34

The irony being they're not based on Tufton St!

The aversion of some people to Tufton St makes me laugh, tbh.

Matthew Goodwin is the sole director of PeoplePolling, he is also a director of The Legatum Institute which is affiliated with Taxpayer's Alliance (55 Tufton St) & the Institute of Economic Affairs (right wing think tank). However you paint it Labour won't be paying attention to any of his polls.

Here he is speaking at the much derided National Conservatism conference last year.

Survey finds 48pc of those who backed Labour in 2019 support Tory pledge to amend Equality Act to protect single-sex spaces
TuftonStreet · 01/07/2024 23:11

Don't worry. We are all powerful and we have all the socks that we need. We even have your socks. Mwah haha!

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 22:42

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RedToothBrush · 01/07/2024 22:40

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 22:34

The irony being they're not based on Tufton St!

The aversion of some people to Tufton St makes me laugh, tbh.

We need Mark Gattis on the case to write an Inside No 9 or Dr Who episode about all the strange coincidences and horrible goings on at Tufton Street.

It'd be terrifying.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 22:34

JanesLittleGirl · 01/07/2024 22:24

Ooooh Tufton St. They are sooo scary.

The Labour Party will attribute some, none or less weight to this poll. And they will react accordingly.

The irony being they're not based on Tufton St!

The aversion of some people to Tufton St makes me laugh, tbh.

Brielv · 01/07/2024 22:25

I'm looking at this election from the sidelines, as I can't vote. I rally hope that, even among Labour politicians, the wind is changing, and after the vote they'll kick the simplification of GRC and the ban of conversion therapy into the long grass. Do they really intend to follow the fate of the SNP? I hope it's not wishful thinking.

JanesLittleGirl · 01/07/2024 22:24

Pourquoise · 01/07/2024 21:19

The Labour Party aren't going to be paying any attention to these straight outta Tufton St Matthew Goodwin polls.

Maya needs to find a new polling company come Friday if she hopes to have any degree of influence with the government.

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Ooooh Tufton St. They are sooo scary.

The Labour Party will attribute some, none or less weight to this poll. And they will react accordingly.

Floisme · 01/07/2024 22:12

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 20:22

Thanks, very interesting.

I think I heard a senior Labour MP (not Starmer) saying they would welcome it, possibly on a radio interview. Does that ring any bells with anyone?

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees the Telegraph article might be accessible on an archive site?

It does look as if someone might have Had A Word with them doesn't it? Now who might that possibly be?

MidsomerMurmurs · 01/07/2024 21:26

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PeoplePolling-poll_29_20240627.xlsx.pdf

Here’s the data. The column headers say “Gender” rather than “Sex” to separate male and female participants. For a poll commissioned by Sex Matters.

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/PeoplePolling-poll_29_20240627.xlsx.pdf

Pourquoise · 01/07/2024 21:19

The Labour Party aren't going to be paying any attention to these straight outta Tufton St Matthew Goodwin polls.

Maya needs to find a new polling company come Friday if she hopes to have any degree of influence with the government.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 01/07/2024 21:06

I found a report in the Telegraph but most of it was behind a paywall.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 20:22

It was bloody hard to find an article. Swamped in GE stuff!

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/labour-welcomes-government-review-equality-act-over-defining-sex-biological

Floisme · 01/07/2024 20:20

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 01/07/2024 19:46

What I don't understand is that I thought Keir Starmer supported the government's intention to reform the Equality act back in early 2023. What changed? And who has advised Labour candidates to use the word 'biological woman' at every opportunity?

I'm sure I remember the Labour leadership saying that too.
It does make me wonder what could possibly have happened.

(Edited for repetition)

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 20:14

Goddessofcatkind · 01/07/2024 19:44

But I thought there were only 6 of us?

But many socks... 🤣

Shame Labour doesn't give a fuck what people think. Once they have people's votes they have a mandate, don't they?

Our Tory MP emailed me on this point today, and he said that I might find it of some comfort to know I'm not the only person who's contacted him about this issue.

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/07/2024 20:09

I'm starting to regret the phrase 'biological woman' because the way Labour and other politicians are using it makes me feel that we've lost the word 'woman' to describe just us, the female of the species.

Why can't politicians and journalists just be honest and use 'men who claim they're women' to distinguish between women in general and the men who want access to women's services and spaces etc? 🤷‍♀️

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 01/07/2024 19:46

What I don't understand is that I thought Keir Starmer supported the government's intention to reform the Equality act back in early 2023. What changed? And who has advised Labour candidates to use the word 'biological woman' at every opportunity?

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