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Female NHS Fife worker suspended after objecting to sharing changing room with TW

92 replies

NitroNine · 01/07/2024 04:22

A female member of NHS staff in Fife is taking legal action against the Health Board after they suspended her for having the temerity to assert boundaries when a male colleague entered the female changing room; rather than Being Kind about his super-special sense of self.

Courier Article
Archived version
Archive of article from “The Times” about her case.

Female NHS Fife worker suspended after complaining about sharing changing room with trans woman

The staff member is taking legal action against the health board over the controversy.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5025960/nhs-fife-suspended-complaint-trans-woman

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/10/2024 11:42

Hopefully the fact that they want to keep this secret will provoke intense media interest as the hospital explains why a woman is required to undress in front of a random man who claims to be a women. Should be fascinating to hear their argument.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 13/10/2024 11:24

Secret tribunal you say. Well that’s my interest piqued, it’s so much more interesting when they scurry around trying to conceal their dirty dealings. Will keep a special eye out for news on this one so I can spread the info they’re trying to hide as far as possible.

FranticFrankie · 13/10/2024 11:15

It’s comforting to know that Naomi will be representing the nurse- who wouldn’t want Naomi fighting their corner??

Hoping the hearing will not be held in private. The very request makes people go ‘hmmmm I wonder why?’

Disgusting treatment of the nurse- treated like she’s done something wrong 😠

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 13/10/2024 10:22

Jane Russell was involved in Maya Forstater and I think Allison Bailey, both for the respondents.

She was Andrew Hochhauser's junior counsel for Bailey. I can't remember whether it was Forstater or Bailey in which she mentioned MN and said that she didn't want to be misquoted or something.

Chrysanthemum5 · 13/10/2024 10:16

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:35

Wow.

Two top London barristers have been drafted to represent both sides in the case.
Naomi Cunningham, who represented caseworker Roz Adams when she won a tribunal against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centretre*, is acting for the nurse.^
Jane Russell, a high-profile employment tribunal specialist, is acting for Fife Health Boardard* and the co-respondent who is the transwoman.^

Jane Russell was involved in Maya Forstater and I think Allison Bailey, both for the respondents.

And I am delighted by this because Naomi was amazing in the ERCC case and Jane was at best mediocre in the Allison Bailey case so I am looking forward to how they are in this case

PronounssheRa · 13/10/2024 09:53

Nothing piques my interest more than organisations trying to keep something secret.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/10/2024 09:50

Organisations always want to hide their poor treatment of women.
Hopefully they won't succeed.

Helleofabore · 13/10/2024 09:48

I wonder why a NHS trust would want to keep this case private… such a significant case too. Mmmm…

So much sunlight in this case.

SunnieShine · 13/10/2024 09:42

ActivePeony · 03/07/2024 20:27

They are captured almost completely. They will be on the side of the TW not the nurse.

On the side of the man.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:39

Hopefully their machinations will have a Streisand effect.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:38

I was just thinking exactly that! They won't be able to stop people talking about it, and the judgment will have to be public.

ArabellaScott · 13/10/2024 09:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:31

I bet they are.

They can identify it as private if they want, so long as the public gets to hear exactly what they are up to.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:35

Ugh, sorry about the formatting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:35

Wow.

Two top London barristers have been drafted to represent both sides in the case.
Naomi Cunningham, who represented caseworker Roz Adams when she won a tribunal against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centretre*, is acting for the nurse.^
Jane Russell, a high-profile employment tribunal specialist, is acting for Fife Health Boardard* and the co-respondent who is the transwoman.^

Jane Russell was involved in Maya Forstater and I think Allison Bailey, both for the respondents.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:31

I bet they are.

Signalbox · 13/10/2024 09:30

Update…

“A health board facing landmark legal action by a nurse suspended after complaining about a transwoman in a female changing room is fighting to have proceedings held in secret.

“NHS Fife are spending public money to stop the ten-day hearing - which could cost around £200,000 - from becoming public.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891

NHS Fife fights for secret hearings in trans woman in female changing room case

NHS Fife is facing landmark legal action by a nurse suspended after complaining about a transwoman in a female changing room.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891

Boudiccaofsteel · 04/07/2024 07:47

Skyellaskerry · 04/07/2024 06:57

“And that is the upside of this issue. It has created what I call late onset feminism, in so many women, me included.”

This is me too @Datun

Sadly I have a few more necessary years in the workforce to fully out myself but there will soon come a time where the zenith of the anti woman activism will coincide with a large number of women reaching the age when they retire and don't have to factor in how standing up for their rights affects their livelihood and also will have the time to get involved in politics, grass roots activism, charities and gschool governors .

this will also coincide with three other significant developments;
1 younger women of the be kind ilk both becoming mums and aunties with the natural instinct to protect their young girls kicking in plus greater life experience of how biology impacts their lives
2.gen z kids getting older and deciding 200 genders, flags and pronouns are seriously uncool and
3 Mass litigation starting in the US because of the ease of litigation finding their and an active plaintiff bar looking to earn big bucks against the medics involved, drug manufacturers, employers and premises that allow mixed sex facilities where women are attacked or spied on. Follow the money ...women might not matter but money always talks ...

us late onset feminists will soon be unstoppable

gardenmusic · 04/07/2024 07:40

I'm not sure I would pass as a feminist, but I know what is right and what is wrong, and will shout about it.

Skyellaskerry · 04/07/2024 06:57

“And that is the upside of this issue. It has created what I call late onset feminism, in so many women, me included.”

This is me too @Datun

Nellieinthebarn · 03/07/2024 20:32

How dare a woman not follow the brave and special script.

ActivePeony · 03/07/2024 20:29

viques · 01/07/2024 10:14

And according to that article, it wasn’t the woman who initially complained, but the transwoman who complained about her “attitude” and her “alleged unwanted behaviours”.

What next, a rapist complaining he didn’t orgasm?
A car thief complaining there wasn’t a full tank of petrol?
A burglar complaining your jewellery box was full of fake Rolexes?

Edited

What a fucking pig that man is. She did not fawn sufficiently or play along nicely and ask him where he got his fucking shoes from. Fuming.

ActivePeony · 03/07/2024 20:28

NewGreenDuck · 01/07/2024 10:04

All is safely gathered in. Harvest festival.

Apple catchers!

ActivePeony · 03/07/2024 20:27

myotherdogisadonkey · 01/07/2024 10:00

@ArabellaScott exactly,it's like a nightmare. She got suspended. It's a bloody joke isn't it? And I know I keep saying it but where are the bloody trade unions? What have we all been paying into for years? For Len's retirement fund? We need our own trade union. I am so sick of this shite. These poor nurses. It's a hard enough job. Not to mention the suitability of these selfish people having access to patients. (Yes I fully expect this comment to be removed but in what way in these men putting patients' first?)

They are captured almost completely. They will be on the side of the TW not the nurse.

ActivePeony · 03/07/2024 20:26

Shortshriftandlethal · 01/07/2024 09:38

A clamp down on reporting of such issues, maybe?

Edited

I fear that this will be the case. Women are going to need to shout loudly and clearly to be heard.

FallinUltra · 03/07/2024 19:28

Namechange98242 · 01/07/2024 09:27

Exactly!

Labour says that biological women are afforded protection under the 'single-sex' clause of the Equality Act.... (And that it doesn't need clarifying!)

But.... Surely if that was the case, the NHS guidance stating that trans people can use toilets and changing rooms of their 'identified gender' is breaching the Equality Act?? Surely NHS guidance needs changing?

It is not just that the EA isn’t clear, it is also that the single sex exceptions are optional. Now that so many employers, facilities and institutions have made a mockery of that, by choosing not to use them, for fear of upsetting men with dishonest intentions, it is time to make them obligatory.

I think it is clear that the EA isn’t working for the protected category of sex, and we need a separate Women’s Act.