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Stonewall has expelled crossdressers from the trans umbrella - Sex Matters

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IwantToRetire · 01/07/2024 01:49

Stonewall’s long-standing definition of “trans” changed on 27th June 2024 to drop “crossdresser” from the list. Before then, it said:

“Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.”

The so-called “trans community” is not a homogenous group but a list of identity options, some of which, like “neutrois”, no one can define. Crossdressers are familiar to many of us, though, and in the past would not have been described as trans. It always seemed odd that Stonewall’s definition included them. It has worked well for crossdressers, though, normalising their behaviour and giving them protection. Calling a man a part-time crossdresser could see you branded transphobic and even cost you your job – even if the man in question did not claim to be a woman.

Article continues at https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/stonewall-redefines-trans-to-exclude-crossdressers/

Stonewall redefines trans to exclude crossdressers - Sex Matters

Stonewall has expelled crossdressers from the trans umbrella Why do some men crossdress? Are crossdressers no longer trans? Stonewall has expelled crossdressers from the trans umbrella Stonewall’s long-standing definition of “trans” changed on 27th Jun...

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/stonewall-redefines-trans-to-exclude-crossdressers

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OvaHere · 01/07/2024 05:10

AlisonDonut · 01/07/2024 03:33

All the ones they kept in are about feelings. This one is about clothing.

It's a good job feelings are more evidential than clothes are that a man is a woman. 🙄

AlisonDonut · 01/07/2024 03:33

All the ones they kept in are about feelings. This one is about clothing.

AgnesNaismith · 01/07/2024 03:10

There is some new leadership, I don’t believe this was an accident.

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/07/2024 03:06

I'm suspicious 🤔

  1. Stonewall have for years been fighting for absolutely any man who wants it (including crossdressers) to be be covered by The Trans Umbrella.
  2. And they have been promoting the idea that the crossdressing men under this umbrella are thus currently covered by Equality Act 2010 (gender reassignment) and probably eventually by an amended GRA 2004 (amended to require reduced burden of proof or actual Self-ID).
  3. And so employers have been 'encouraged' to get ahead of what Stonewall are telling them will be the law.

I see no credible reason as to why Stonewall would reverse their previous position AND do it so quietly AND there not be a HUGE fuss from the usual quarters.

WallaceinAnderland · 01/07/2024 02:09

Ah, hard luck Eddie.

AlisonDonut · 01/07/2024 02:05

This will be part of whatever deal they have with the Labour Party going forward after Friday.

lonelywater · 01/07/2024 02:00

Blimey, next they will be saying a bloke in a dress is not trans. Er, wait a minute....

Ponderingwindow · 01/07/2024 01:56

Seeing as there should be no restrictions on who wears a particular item of clothing, how could anyone even be labeled a cross dresser in 2024?