Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I just don't know who to vote for!!!!

108 replies

PCCmember · 30/06/2024 15:43

The election is in less than a week and I keep going round and round in circles not being able to decide who to vote for! I've quite politically engaged and I used to be an active member of a political party, but this time I really can't decide who to vote for. It's such a dismal choice and all parties have pretty negative aspects to their policies that I would find difficult to vote for. However personally I would prefer to vote for a candidate rather than spoil my ballot (totally respect those who chose to do so though!) even if I can only agree with some of their policies. This means choosing the least worst option, but I just can't seem to decide what this should be!

My constitutency is an incredibly safe Labour seat and the sitting MP will be re-elected. The choice facing me is as follows:

Liberal Democrat - This is the party a few years ago I would have described as my political home. However I quit the party over their complete disregard for women's and girl's rights to single-sex spaces. I have done the vote for policies quiz and it is stil the party whose policies I most strongly identify with (50%). I agree with their policies on democracy, economy, education, energy, health and social care, tax, immigration and transport. Given that no party will ever 100% align with my views if I am looking for the closest match, it should be the Lib Dems. But of course I completely disagree with their policies to introduce gender self-ID, end the spousal veto and to recognise non-binary identities in law. My local candidate is a (very) young man who has in the past called on Rosie Duffield to "reflect and say sorry".

Climate Party - A single issue party. I can't find any reference to their views on sex-based rights/gender identity. Can't find much about the local candidate.

Conservative - I don't have a strongly ideological objection to voting Conservative - indeed I have done so in the past. They were my second party (30% agreement) in the vote for policies quiz. However I don't feel that I can vote for this Conservative party due to their some of their policies - particularly immigration (Rwanda policy), the national service policy and the planned cuts to Higher Education (which is the industry which I work in!). However I of course support the policy to amend the Equality Act to make it clear that sex = biological sex. The local candidate has also made it unequivacably clear that he supports women's rights to same sex care, sports and services.

Reform - no thanks.

A completely random independent youtuber who seems to have got people to legally change their name to his so that he can stand in 11 constituencies!

Labour - I haven't been impressed at all by Keir Starmer's responses to the sex/gender issue and the shameful treatment of Rosie Duffield by him and his party. I also have a DD who is about to start secondary school at an Independent school so I just don't feel that I can vote Labour. The sittting MP (who will be re-elected) is a shadow deputy minister and is very much in the same vein as Keir Starmer (he used to be his deputy at one point). He avoids engaging with this issue and when he does he waffles about "safe spaces".

Worker's Party - George Galloway's Party. No thanks.

Green - although I do agree with some of their policies around public transport and PR, the party as a whole is too far left for me and the local candidate is TWAW.

So writing this out has made it clear to me that it's probably got to be either LD or Conservative, but I really can't decide which! If I were a single issue voter the choice would be easy, but other issues such as education, immigration, transport, health etc are all important too and I just can't decide which way I should hold my nose. Anyone else feeling completely unable to decide?

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
LassoOfTruth · 04/07/2024 20:51

I’d have voted for Party of Women in a heartbeat if it were an option here but in the end I spoiled my ballot by sticking an fetching pink Adult Human Female sticker where my vote for Labour would have gone. I wrote to all 8 candidates with the Sex Matters questions weeks ago and only Reform and the Workers Party responded. They kind of said the right things but I just don’t trust either of them on other stuff. Disappointed but not surprised that even the Women’s Equality Party Candidate couldn’t be bothered to reply.

Ohyoudodoyou · 04/07/2024 18:41

Up until the moment I walked in the booth I was voting labour. All week been telling people voting Labour. Been doorstepped several times and said to them 'voting Labour' - got in the booth and felt a great big fuck off when I saw the other candidates, felt some wild abandon and landed my x on the Party of Women candidate!

UtopiaPlanitia · 04/07/2024 16:46

I spoiled my ballot in the previous general election and couldn’t bring myself to do it another time so I voted for a local party that supports the Tories - it took 5 minutes of me standing with the pencil hovering over the box before I finally did it.

I really don’t enjoy the state of politics in the UK (and a lot of the other Western democracies) at the moment - the last 16 years has been churn after churn after churn, none of it particularly good for the cohesion of civil society. I’m fed up of living in ‘interesting times'.

Toomanysquishmallows · 04/07/2024 15:03

I voted for the workers party . I live in a very safe Labour seat . The total mess they have made of running the local council was one factor , but I couldn’t vote for a party that wants me to believe a lie ( that people can change sex ).

ArabellaScott · 04/07/2024 14:58

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 13:38

Why is it so stressful?

Because there's no party I actually want to win. And where I am, it seems every vote may actually matter. And I take it too seriously.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/07/2024 14:27

I've voted for the individual person I wanted to support locally. This is a very safe seat so my vote was a protest vote.

BezMills · 04/07/2024 14:24

bon courage @ArabellaScott

DialSquare · 04/07/2024 13:45

Just got back. Voted for a very small local party (for local people!). Won't make any difference but I felt I could actually vote for someone on this occasion l.

Hummingbird75 · 04/07/2024 13:38

ArabellaScott · 04/07/2024 13:35

I've been to the polling station (with dog) and dithered and bottled it. Will gird myself and go back again later.

Why is it so stressful?

ArabellaScott · 04/07/2024 13:35

I've been to the polling station (with dog) and dithered and bottled it. Will gird myself and go back again later.

BezMills · 04/07/2024 10:38

I'll go later on, after the gym mainly because I want to take a cheeky beer after my vote

Voting for my excellent local Labour guy, ( with serious reservations about the executive etc ).

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 04/07/2024 10:07

I am still thinking of SDP, though the candidate did not answer, because of what the party says in their manifesto.

That's who I went for in the end. I couldn't vote Tory and everyone else is either flip flopping (looking at you Labour) or up to their neck in woo.

I did scribble down "Respect my sex! You would have got my vote" next to the Labour candidate. He might not see it but it made me feel better, and it's true, he would have. I'm sure they'll get into power anyway, they don't need my vote to do that, and I don't need to give it to them.

SinnerBoy · 04/07/2024 09:48

I feel cheated, I left my dog outside today, not a photographer in sight.

TheDogsMother · 04/07/2024 09:45

@ScrollingLeaves I love the photos of dogs outside polling stations on election day. Probably the best bit of it for me 🤣

ScrollingLeaves · 04/07/2024 09:44

TheDogsMother · 04/07/2024 09:39

@ScrollingLeaves Thank you for suggesting the SDP. We do have a candidate and I'm having a quick read of the manifesto to check there's nothing dreadful in there. Assuming it's all good then their man will get my vote.

I don’t know if your username is telling, but my dog will be coming with me to vote, and at the desk during elections, they give dogs a small bonio.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/07/2024 09:39

It is disappointing to me that I wrote to all the local candidates with a list of points and questions - Greens, Lib Dem’s, Labour, Conservative and SDP - but only the Labour candidate answered.

The Labour candidate’s answer missed quite a few issues I had brought up, including protecting children from being taught in school that some of them are born in the wrong body, and brushed away concerns about so called ‘banning’ conversion therapy, and was quite waffly, so I think it was pre-prepared.

Maybe they were all just too busy.

The problem is that although I know what their parties are like, I have no clue of them as individuals, for example, might the Green candidate be like Rosie Duffield at heart?

Here it is likely to be 98% labour. So any vote is just a mouse’s protest. I am still thinking of SDP, though the candidate did not answer, because of what the party says in their manifesto.

The Conservative (man) who did not answer, looks all wrong from his profile.

TheDogsMother · 04/07/2024 09:39

@ScrollingLeaves Thank you for suggesting the SDP. We do have a candidate and I'm having a quick read of the manifesto to check there's nothing dreadful in there. Assuming it's all good then their man will get my vote.

VictorianBigot · 04/07/2024 09:26

I still don’t know what to do. I said yesterday I would be spoiling my ballot but I’m floundering.

Someone on another thread said it’s like trying to decide which STD you want.

SinnerBoy · 04/07/2024 09:19

I voted on the way back from walking my daughter to school. I plumped for Kelly Jane Oliver Dougall - Party of Women.

I feel almost subversive....

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2024 08:39

^ candidate - not cabinet (thanks autocorrect!)

OublietteBravo · 04/07/2024 08:38

I’m finding it much more difficult to decide who to vote for this time around. We’re usually an extremely marginal Labour/Tory seat (current Labour majority = 145). But this time around we’re considered a safe Labour seat.

The Tory candidate has been campaigning hard for the last year. I think she’d make a great constituency MP. She’s not from the constituency, but does live close by in a neighbouring county.

The Labour incumbent is essentially invisible. And I say that as a member of the local Labour Party. I’ve seen him around town perhaps twice since he was elected in 2017. He does turn up to parliament to vote though.

The LibDem candidate has been doggedly standing as a cabinet since he left school. He’s been a LibDem parliamentary candidate here previously (in 2017 and 2019). He’s a teacher at my son’s school and has been a local councillor in our neighbouring ward since 2011.

UpThePankhurst · 04/07/2024 08:20

I'm sitting here torn between voting for someone who is the least awful and harmful of a bunch of unwanted options, or just not voting at all. Which I feel terrible about.

ArabellaScott · 04/07/2024 08:09

Still not made.up my mind. We have til 10, right?

Snowypeaks · 04/07/2024 07:55

UtterlyOtterly · 03/07/2024 17:48

Snowypeaks We have a Christian People's Alliance candidate. They would appear to know what a woman is too but their manifesto lost me when they mentioned doing things not for the good of the population but for the glory of their god or some such.

Wow. That's...um.... Yeah. 😆

DarlingCoffee · 04/07/2024 06:24

I’m undecided. What would the Suffragettes do is what I’m asking myself now. I have no candidates I can vote for in all good conscience. Would they spoil their vote, and if so what would they write on the ballot? I feel awful even thinking about this, but this appears to be where I am.