Trigger Warning: Horrified by what happened to Lara Logan in Egypt *title edited by MNHQ*

Fucking hell, is all I have to say on this.

The report of a 16 year old girl being raped and suffocated on a migrant boat in view of her mother and many others is another example of the horror that girls / wimin face in countries ruled by systems that elevate men's rights and privilege above wimins rights .

I'm watching Sorayas story about a stoning in Iran because she refused a divorce and resulting destitution when her husband decided he wanted to marry a 14 year old .

It's important that these things are reported even though they are uncomfortable to read

Its also in-group out-group.
Lots of men will say they are horrified at the thought of rape and would step in to help a woman. Most of them believe that and aren't lying. If a woman from an "in group" (sister, friend etc) is being attacked by a stranger most men will step in. Even if the woman and the man are both strangers, many men will try to help (e.g. girl on bus being assaulted by another random). But if the woman is "out group" and the man is "in group" most men WON'T step in and may even join in themselves. Who the in-group and out-group are changes of course.

If you want another example of this read the UK/foreign media articles on Steven Van de Velde. Then use google translate to read the Dutch language articles on the same topic. Or look at the reaction of his team mates/the Dutch NOC. And the Netherlands and Britain are not at war with each other or considered vastly different culturally. But English children still count for less even though they would never admit it.

If you want to be really depressed, most of the Dutch Olympic committee board are women. Also remember the Russian woman who gave permission to her husband to rape Ukrainian women. That's why I think feminism matters - its thinking that ALL women and girls deserve to be protected from sexual assault not just our team.

@slidingdoorsmoments . Edited as responding to wrong poster. In 2011 men raped Lara, not Islam. A cynical person might feel this is an interestingly timed post. Are you planning to vote Reform?

There is a part of me that would punish this behaviour with such barbarity that most men would be too terrified to even look funny at a woman.

So, in one sense that behaviour wasn't about sex. It was very clearly created as a way of keeping women of the streets/out of social and political life and was about power and holding on to power. For the individuals involved however it probably was about sex, and enjoying hurting somebody.

It's men. Groups of men. Men from pretty much any country or culture, who think they can get away with it. Not just Muslim men, Indian men, 'other' men. This case in Spain, for example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/23/wolf-pack-case-spain-feminism-far-right-vox

That particular behaviour in Egypt (Circle of Hell) was specifically encouraged/incited by the Egyptian security services as a way of breaking up protests/ensuring women couldn't participate in protests (clever because to be succesful mass protests/popular uprisings need to include a range of people, men, women, children). It then spread until it was a thing that people do. Mass sexual assault in Egypt - Wikipedia

No wonder really that Laura Logan went all right wing.

I think for many people it is an inconvenient truth when men from non white / muslim countries rape and kill women so nobody wants to talk about it. The bbc is largely left wing men who are terrified of any taint of supposed racism being attached to their name should they report on such atrocities. Plus men will always protect and prioritise men over women.
The truth reported in a factual manner is not racist. Societies where women’s clothing and conduct are controlled are by their very nature places where women are seen as less than men. Rape is the punishment for daring to step out of line.
Misogyny is as old and as detestable as racism but standing up against it is far less popular and fashionable.

Male violence against women knows no boundaries, awful cases like this one happen everywhere, there have been thousands and thousands all over the world since this one in 2011.

-The World Health Organisation report that Across their lifetime, 1 in 3 women, around 736 million, are subjected to physical or sexual violence by an intimate partner or sexual violence from a non-partner

-The Australian PM recently called male violence 'an epidemic'.

-Men’s violence against women is a leading cause of the premature death for women

-In the UK, a woman is killed by a man approximately every 3 days

And yes, it's sometimes perpetrated by men who have strong ideas about how women should behave, and prey on women who stray outside their narrow definitions of what's 'appropriate'.

But lots of men from 'liberal' societies also beat up, rape or kill women because they are women.
.Who the man is or what the woman is, is secondary.

It's not because they are deprived of sex. Rape isn't about sex. Nor is attempted murder. It's about power, control and cruelty. In a highly misogynistic society like that they use it to punish women who step out of line. It's a form of domestic terrorism against women.
They force women to cover up in order to limit their freedom, opportunities and keep them controlled. Rape is not at all at odds with this belief system. Quite the opposite.
It isn't just Muslim men. For example, these kind of attacks happen in India a lot. We just don't hear about most of them because terrorist attacks against women aren't considered newsworthy.
Life is utter hell for women in the third world. Men in the first world either don't care or like it. Many watch porn videos of these rapes. When a woman is raped and murdered in India, her name becomes the most searched item on porn sites. Let that sink in. Millions of men are jerking off to snuff films.
I suppose there are some men who hate this, but obviously, not nearly enough of them. Yet they wonder why we are so angry.