Trigger Warning: Horrified by what happened to Lara Logan in Egypt *title edited by MNHQ*

I knew about this incident at the time, it was reported on the news, it was shocking. I never forgot it. As an aside Lara looked to be wearing a full t shirt and combat type trousers.

As a young woman in Paris years ago, the North African men gave me creeps, they would grin at you as they approached you, it was that fucking grin that was my cue to exit fast, it was constant. I was nearly raped a couple of times. So when I saw the Lara headline I knew exactly what the dynamic was, they did not like a young attractive female having the authority of being a reporter. Her job in their minds is to be freely available because she is a western woman. They cannot get their heads around western womens roles, it all has to revolve around covered/submissive and/or what the men want from them.

See also, what (mostly Canadian) "peacekeepers" did in the Balkans following the war there. There was a horrifying film about it (Whistleblower) but that actually underplayed the reality out of necessity. And actually quite a large number of other UN based scandals. The worst thing about those - its not just some evil men doing something evil. Its an absolutely massive number of people who know something terrible is going on, literally see the most horrific things with their own eyes and have the power to stop it but choose not to. Its how those mass rapes can happen because you will have a swirling mass of literally hundreds of men. Some of them are just pulling of clothes, some are committing the rape, some are just part of the mob and will whine later they didn't do anything (except physically block rescuers with their bodies).

This, it’s exactly the same mindset that marries young barely pubescent girls to very old men, not only in some Muslim countries but in white radical Bible bashing sects in the US, like some Mormon branches or more extreme Christian minority religions. They really do not see women as human beings with feelings, opinions and rights.

I complained to the Guardian about that revolting Gaby Hinsliff article that you're referencing, in which she talked about the 'lucky young women' who owned 'expensive smartphones'. Absolutely revolting and horrendous. The Guardian never responded, of course.

See also India, where (inconveniently for some) the offenders tend to be hindu https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/04/india/india-gang-rape-tourist-arrests-intl-hnk/index.html

This thread has made me want to bundle my daughters up and keep them safe with me forever. It’s beyond atrocious that women are have to live in fear of men.

A ‘milder’ but still horrible version took place in Koln on New Years Eve 2025/16, and in several other German cities. I cancelled my Guardian subscription when they were the last British newspaper to admit that it had occurred (and then minimised the impact).

They didn't just minimise it they went into full on victim blame mode, the women were dressed as western women are on a night out, free to be able to go out at night and most egregiously of all had mobile phones. The men doing the attacking just couldn't help themselves due to that. It was the most appalling piece of misogyny and victim blaming.

it makes me wonder whether they have deprived themselves of being around women, and then when they see one, they just lose all control.

This isn’t why they rape and hurt women. This is giving them an excuse. It is because they do not see women as equal human beings. They are there to be controlled and abused in a patriarchal society.

A former colleague of mine, an Egyptian woman and journalist, was attacked in Tahrir square when she was covering the unrest, and sexually assaulted, possibly raped (i don't think she wants to confirm either way). She was also arrested by the police, jailed and sexually assaulted there too.
It's males or men, it's always them and it's just them.

Grooming gangs happen wherever males think they can get off with it, and will target anyone vulnerable.

When I was a girl - in the '60s - I was groomed by a group of teenage boys. I was 7. I got off lightly. My best friend (8) was actually raped several times, though I don't think she ever admitted to herself that she was raped.

This was Scotland. All the high school boys involved in this were pasty white.

Of course, we'd all been warned about strange men. No one warned us about our neighbours.

I’ve read up a little and apparently someone shouted that she was an Israeli Jew, which caused the initial violence to explode.

So antisemitism as well.

How weird as well, that they would prefer to have sex together with an unattractive woman, more than they would want sex on their own with a "hot" woman. What's that about?

Just to clarify - why do you assume that this traumatised rape victim is 'unattractive'? Why do you think that sexual assault is EVER about the way a woman looks? It is about power and humiliation not grades of attractiveness.

This shit is fucking terrible enough without speaking about victims in such a thoughtless way.

For a lot of men it’s all about power and their own status.

A man I vaguely know was sent to prison for beating a man who sexually assaulted his sister. Said man himself has raped at least two women that I know of.

His anger was that someone had attacked his sister. Like she was his possession.

When the story of that was being discussed in the staff room at the time at least two other people knew of a man who had raped or sexually assaulted someone, yet was furious at something happening to one of their women.

Think you might need to step away from the dog whistles, hun.

I had similar experience in Morocco. Stuck in our hotel room as men would touch us in the street. I would never visit a Muslim country again.

And yet we all know it happens.

We wouldn't know if that was true.

The race/religion can't really be an explaining factor when so many women are raped and killed in the UK every year by non-Muslim men.

This is about men, not Muslims.

Also one word. Cologne. The left wing media didn’t report on those inconvenient attacks. When the Guardian finally did a columnist wrote that it was actually the women’s fault for having iPhones and western lives that may have made the men feel sad or some such shit. Not bought that rag since.

Doesn’t surprise me in the least. Visited Cairo in my early twenties. Absolute misogynistic shit hole. Would never go back to Egypt. The level of verbal abuse from men was insane. We ended up confined to our hotel room. Couldn’t even use the pool as the male hotel staff abused us.

I’m baffled by that comment too. The women being victimised have all our thoughts and compassion. The male attackers gave no compassion and deserve none from us.
ActivePeony, what did you mean?

Did you see those studies conducted with men in the West about whether or not they’d commit a sexual assault against a woman or child if they were guaranteed not to get caught? The majority said that they would.

This is about men as a group rather than religion or sex. They would carry out all kinds of depraved acts like this if they could get away with it.

Well said. Disgracefully true.

I must have missed the references to Christianity... Not one mention of priests which is much closer to home. Again, the issue is men.