Trigger Warning: Horrified by what happened to Lara Logan in Egypt *title edited by MNHQ*

Horrific, I wasn’t aware of this.

@Hoppinggreen wait till shes older and goes to a chip shop , curry house , taxi and gets invited to drink in the back of the shop or asked for a bj instead of paying fare and oh yeah do you want to be my girlfriend I'll treat you nice ( while not telling my wife who's at home with the children )

My 12 year old has never been told she has "nice tits" by a man standing outside a mosque

Wow. I have read some crazy stuff on MN but you are taking top prize. Desperate no?

Strangely Wetherspoons is one of the safest places I go. I’d have no problem asking staff for help, using their toilets etc. I use them a lot in places where I wouldn’t risk a standard bar/pub.

I would feel much safer walking past a Mosque on a Friday afternoon than my local Weatherspoons

I can believe that but personally I worked next to a mosque in Glasgow(Pollokshields)for the best part of a decade and the sexual harassment and intimidation that I experienced almost every day from men coming and going from the mosque was disgusting. And yes I met many lovely friendly respectful Muslim men too(Mainly the shopkeepers) but I have never experienced harassment on that level since.

4 women and two children killed on one day in Spain this week.

I would feel much safer walking past a Mosque on a Friday afternoon than my local Weatherspoons

You will witness this double standard in day to day life, for example weddings in concervative villages. The men and women's section is separated. The men will always have a female dancer or two who have very little clothes on, all their wives are covered up.

Well, tbf, western world also has it double standards with this.
I.e men going to strip clubs, some even use prostitutes.
And specially the strippers are something women are supposed to be okey with.
And in western world many women objectify themselves and dress for the male gaze, meanwhile men are in comfortable clothes, most times only skin you see from men is face and hands.

It’s all misogyny, just different way.

Exactly. Yes, those surveys are terrifying. The truth is terrifying. They want us to live in fear of it, which means we do not and never will have freedom. It's terrorism.

Sexist, double standard society. Men want a virgin young girl who will be submissive, but a man doen't need to be a virgin, religious rules only apply to oppress women. The men will always find a loophole to do whatever they desire. But at the same time they use sex workers, harass any woman they see outside. I have personally witnessed a group of girls all wearing burka being groped, no one would say anything to the men. It's like something expected. The men themselves use the excuse of "she deserves it if she is dressed that way" but they are silent when asked why women in burka receive the same treatment.

You will witness this double standard in day to day life, for example weddings in concervative villages. The men and women's section is separated. The men will always have a female dancer or two who have very little clothes on, all their wives are covered up.

The more I read, the more I realise the default seems to be that men actually hate women.

I think what you are missing is that the OP is fucking furious.

But yes, prob best to leave the thread if you would rather chastise women for being angry about male violence.

The Graun was already on my shit list, and it has stayed there.

Egyptian men are not deprived of women or sex. Their wedding entertainers/dancers are barely wearing any clothes and their media isn't restricted like the middle east. Egypt is also a sex tourist for many of the Arab world just like Morocco. It's not Yemen or Saudi were women are hidden away from the public. Egypt is known for having a huge problem with sexual assault and harassment of women regardless of how she is dressed, she could be covered from head to toe and she'll still get harassed, many documantaries are made where the women express how hard it is to leave the house and even young boys have learned that behaviour and will follow a woman in public. Many women have resorted to carrying some type of a weapon to hit men with when they are groped in public. Extreme porn hasn't helped, the developing world is seeing more gang rapes of women and little girls but also brutally attacking them after and in some cases dismembering them.

I complained to the Guardian about that revolting Gaby Hinsliff article that you're referencing, in which she talked about the 'lucky young women' who owned 'expensive smartphones'. Absolutely revolting and horrendous. The Guardian never responded, of course.

Me too. They also lied blatantly about the number of victims in a report and only corrected themselves after lots of complaints, in the BTL comments where it wouldn't be seen by most readers. I was already fed up with them over their coverage of trans issues and this was the final straw for me.

The OP wasn’t even referring to the rape victim.

The OP did not do that.

She was quoting the men, the disgusting attitude is theirs, not hers.

Direct your ire at the right target.

Afghanistan used to be on the Hippie trail.

Western Women used to feel relief when they had entered Afghanistan after the hell for women that was Pakistan.

The old travellers said Pakistan was a nightmare to pass as a woman, but Afghanistan was a relief.

There was a very interesting video on the Hippie trail where a young blonde girl had embraced the ''free love'' aspect of the 1960's and had fallen I'm love with a local tribesman in the Pakistan area and become one of his wives.
Someone from that era said she had been killed.

The blonde girl was very pretty {she was in the video}

Old comment from the video is ''Fabulous to see this.. very sad in places .Afghanistan may one day be ''safe'' to go to again, but probably not for many decades. Wonder what became of the pretty Blonde Dutch girl....? [won't do a ''spoiler'' for people reading the comments] The Belgian girl looked like a Pre-Raphaelite..tragically early death.

Horrific

Yes I have already read this.

I will still take issue with the OP labelling a rape victim 'unattractive' for no reason whatsoever and wondering why her rapists would not want to be with a 'hot' girl instead.
Rape is not about attractiveness. It is about male power and brutality.

That was what was in the Guardian report linked to by exexpat today at 10:12.

"Long before the wolf pack trial began, it seemed most Spaniards had already reached their own verdicts. For months, they had pored over the men’s WhatsApp conversations – both text and audio – which had been leaked to the press and posted online. Many predated the Pamplona festival visit, and seemed to suggest a level of premeditation. “Mate seriously, if the five of us all fucked a fat girl together at San Fermin, it would be the best thing ever. I’d rather fuck a fat girl with all of you than a hot one by myself,” one of the men had said."