Trigger Warning: Horrified by what happened to Lara Logan in Egypt *title edited by MNHQ*

The older I get the more I see that it's just MEN - Lara Logan's case is particularly horrific and was by no means an isolated incident during that period in Egypt.

One of the reports that just made me realise how common it is that men view women in this way was this one: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12436097/Magaluf-gang-rape-Tourists-invited-free-sex-three-men-deliberately-plied-Brit-18-drink-attacked-hotel-said-strangers-corridor-join-in.html

The attackers were so confident that no one would stop them they asked strangers if they wanted to rape the victim. And they were right, other random men joined in.

MMALT if they are given the opportunity, I think. Some cultures do a better job of holding it in check than others.
Some cultures seem to make it a feature rather than a bug.

And she keeps making it about sex, attractiveness, clothes and the free West. Those might be the rapists' words but she latched onto them due to her own views.

I stand by my comment.

If M stands for Muslims then absolutely.

@KeirSpoutsTwaddle that's what she finds "weird" though , out of the whole horrific,criminal shitshow?

BATUK is currently under investigation by the Defense, Intelligence and Foreign Relations committee of Kenya’s National Assembly.
It has held public hearings in several areas where British troops train and heard a litany of complaints about abuse, exploitation, and sexual assaults from communities around them.
It intends to hear from BATUK officials and the British High Commissioner to Kenya at the end of its work later this month, according to a schedule shared with CNN.
One of the more contentious accusations against British soldiers involves the case of Agnes Wanjiru.
Wanjiru, a 21-year-old Kenyan woman, vanished in 2012 after entering a hotel with British soldiers, according to reports.

Her body was later found in a septic tank. Despite a Kenyan inquest ruling her death a murder and the reported identification of a suspect by fellow soldiers, the British soldier allegedly involved hasn’t faced charges.
This one is ongoing. All the claims (hundreds of them) are apparently lies.

I agree.

Disgusting and criminal. And prosecuted, by the sound of it.

I don’t think 12yr olds are safe outside a mosque or a Wetherspoons, sadly.

I personally rate Spoons as one of the safer pubs to go alone. That’s all I was saying.

Men are the issue, not men of particular races. There are cultures and countries where women are routinely oppressed. Institutional, legal repression.

It’s unreasonable to ignore that, and men from those cultures will inevitably carry those attitudes with them wherever they go.

That doesn’t make them better or worse than abusive men anywhere.

On the day of the massacre, Abeer's father Qassim was enjoying time with his family, while his sons were at school.[13] In broad daylight, the four U.S. soldiers walked to the house, not wearing their uniforms, but wearing army-issue long underwear reportedly to look like "ninjasjas--"[9] and separated 14-year-old Abeer and her family into two different rooms. Spielman was responsible for grabbing Abeer's 6-year-old sister, who was outside the house with her father, and bringing her inside the house.[14] Green then broke Abeer's mother's arms (likely resulting from a struggle that began when she heard her daughter being raped in the other room) and murdered her parents and younger sister, while two other soldiers, Cortez and Barker, raped Abeer.[15] Barker wrote that Cortez pushed Abeer to the floor, lifted her dress, and tore off her underwear while she struggled. According to Cortez, Abeer "kept squirming and trying to keep her legs closed and saying stuff in Arabicc," as he and Barker took turns holding her down and raping her.[16]*
Cortez testified that Abeer heard the gunshots in the room in which her parents and little sister were being held, causing her to scream and cry even more. Green then emerged from the room saying, "I just killed them, all are dead."[17] Green, who later said the crime was "awesome,"[18]then raped Abeer, afterwards shooting her in the head multiple times. After the massacre, Barker poured petrol on Abeer and the soldiers set fire to the lower part of the girl's body. Barker testified that the soldiers gave Spielman their bloodied clothes to burn and that he threw the AK-477 used to murder the family into a canal. They left to "celebrate" their crimes with a meal of chicken wings.[19]

But western men don't do that. faux eyed innocence

The OP is quoting the men. They are not her opinions or words.

NAMALT but TMMALT (too many men are like that). Just horrific.

Have you seen the murders and assaults in Mexico City documentaries. It happens everywhere but some places or people just are worse. Sometimes it is the circumstances or situation, like soldiers in a war.

I echo what other posters have already said. Men from every country, every culture, every ethnicity and nearly all ages can (and many will) do this. Raping and murdering women happens all over the world, everyday.

I don't know if any of you have ever seen the film Liberated, but it shows that same attitude towards women over and over again:

People always use not ALL as their counter argument. Of course it is not all, it is just prevalent.

it is like saying ALL the British guys on a beach are tattooed. It is not all, it’s just prevalent or at least there will be more than just a few.

I am literally an Islamophobe. I fear fundamentalist Islam. I am also a Christophobe. I fear fundamentalist Christianity. I fear deeply misogynistic, authoritarian religion in general. That is nothing to be ashamed of. Am I also, in general, afraid of men who follow such religions? You bet your ass I am.
Let's not do a #notallmuslimmen on each other. We know it isn't all men, all Muslim men, or whatever. It is, however, a fuck of a lot of them. Men are the same the world over, but religion is one of the things that give them an excuse to act on their hatred and power lust. All things which are designed to give them that license should be feared and loathed. All belief systems should be able to be critiqued without accusations of bigotry.

Actually I agree, both genders should dress modestly by their country standards. Of course stay cool in summer but not everything has to be on display. I understand that we should be able to choose what we wear, but in reality, I do not like seeing women too minusculy dressed, it is not a feminist issue for me.

@Hoppinggreen but if you say it's a male issue and male violence that is the problem and you suddenly get NAMALT.

ODFOD and close the door on your way out.

She is almost 20 and although we live in a very multicultural area none of those things has happened, she has got some lovely Muslim friends though.
I also grew up in an area with a lot of Muslims and I managed to avoid all of those things too.
Its almost as if some people on this thread want to paint ALL Muslim men in the same way, which would be Islamaphobia

How weird as well, that they would prefer to have sex together with an unattractive woman, more than they would want sex on their own with a "hot" woman.

What is wrong with you?

I went to Egypt in 2001, it was awful. The men just grab at you, my friend and I were pulled into shops in Cairo. In luxor we were held hostage by a group of men and I had to punch a kid in the face to escape. The staff in the hotel kept trying to get us to go to their parties.

Would never go back. Which is a shame as ancient Egyptian history is a passion of mine.

Yes, unfortunately that's going to be the fate of far too many 12 year old girls, abused by men - like the local pillar of the community who abused me when I was 12.

The form of the abuse will vary, the ethnicity of the abuser will vary, the nationality of the abuser will vary, the location of the abuse - in the neighbour's house, in my case, or outside a mosque, inside a Catholic Church, behind Westminster Abbey... will vary, but the biological sex of the abuser will not.