Trigger Warning: Horrified by what happened to Lara Logan in Egypt *title edited by MNHQ*

Was it Germaine Greer who said women don’t realise how much men hate them.

Sadism. Evil.

I think it is about opportunistic sex too with some.

Up to 200 men ripped a woman's clothes off, beat her with poles, raped her, tried to pull off her arms, legs and scalp.

This feels beyond even getting a feeling of power. It's something even more horrible and base, and I'm not sure any name in any language is enough to capture it.

I agree. Rape has nothing to do with sex.

If it was about sex then good-looking successful men (e.g. footballers) would never commit rape because they can get sex easily enough from consenting women. Except men like that still commit rape.

Rape is about exerting power and control, and about getting pleasure from degrading another human being. It's got nothing in common with sex apart from the physical actions.

Fair enough, but several of your posts have been about the men wanting sex, or wanting sex with a woman they consider easy and/or attractive.

It isn't. It's about ruthlessly, violently, putting women in their place. As PPs keep highlighting, it's about power. For the participants, it's a bonding experience in which they treat women as prey.

Mass rape is also a feature of warfare - "our boys" are guilty of it, too. In disorganised forces, it looks very much like an objective. In some cases, it actually is.

It's hellish.

@WearyAuldWumman it's still happening. Kenyan women are still trying to get justice for being raped by the British soldiers training there. Hundreds of allegations, the first ones starting in the 70's and still ongoing. It's being "looked at".

Yup. The "Tommies" who raped the French nuns were supposedly liberating them.

It is so upsetting. Quite a few of us will have had grandfathers or great grandfathers who were actually rapists in the war.

And it could be their own side even. French women were raped by American and British liberators.

Much the same has happened here.

My late husband was old enough to do National Service. He spoke in horror of the case that happened in Catterick in the '50s: a local girl got drunk at a dance and was raped in this way.

He told me that the culprits were known, but nothing was ever done about it: the girl was blamed for being drunk.

Both his grandfather survived action in WW1 and used to discuss their experiences when they were together. One of them once said: "They talk about the Germans, but you never hear of them talking about what happened when the Tommies got into the French convent.'

The older I get, the more I realise how accurate Germaine Greer was about how much men hate women.

Those rapists creeps probably seem respectable in their own countries.

@ScrollingLeaves OP still seems to think there's a link between rape and sex (or lack of) and clothing and how the women present themselves, regardless of the Spanish men being quoted. She also seems to think that's why gang rapes don't happen in western countries, because women and sex are freely available. Except, you know ,it does, and it has fuck all to do with sex or clothes or availability.

Gang rape isn't a new thing. Men of all cultures and all faiths have perpetrated sexual violence against women for millennia. They do it alone, and in groups, in every country in the world.

It seems from that Spanish Wolf Pack quote that the rapists were just using the ‘fat girl’ hypothesis (seen on their WhatsApp plan) to emphasise how much they wanted to do sex as ‘gang’ rape:

Sex, even with someone they fancied a lot, was not going to do the trick.

Presumably not even one on one rape would have either. They wanted it to be an all out gang rape by all the mates together.
The ultimate lads’ night out of living porn and male bonding exercise.
They were probably cowardly incels as individuals.

There seems to be the influence of porn in this.

Some can , and do. It's not exactly unheard of. And daughters and grandmothers and aunts and cousins and...

Men in general are disgusting

If you could they would rape their own mothers and sisters.

It does seem some that in some cultures blatant sexual verbal abuse of women is condoned and accepted. I’ve been flashed at / had grim comments from white men in uk and Europe but nothing like the level in Cairo that was insane.

Well I have been sexually assaulted as have quite a few of my friends and it was by white men in every case so my personal experiences and what I have heard is different.
What all this scum have in common is their sex. Its about sex not religion and trying to claim that Muslim men are more likely to assault women than men of other religions could be seen as Islamaphobia.

I think there's a group of women in India that beat up rapists.

slidingdoorsmoments · Today 09:18

This is so very horrible it makes life seem undermined at its core, that there is no point to it - as this is what can happen if men get the chance, and then all encourage each other.

And if they are now filming gang rape and using it as porn, it will be an ambition.

They need a circle of women to come and rip them up.

They were following the model of a bunch of Christians in Alexandria urged on by a preacher, Cyril, who some see as a saint, who murdered a woman by cutting her up with abalone shells. In 415 AD. She was a brilliant mathematician and university lecturer, called Hypatia.

I wasn't going to mention her. I came on to retail a remark I heard a man make when women had reported events on the hajj. So Muslim women, deeply taking part in a religious event, as serious as a nun at Lourdes, finding they had to divert their attention from prayers to protect themselves from groping or worse. They couldn't understand how a man who was supposed to be thinking of God could do that.
And I was coming on here to repeat what a Saudi security guy (I think) said. "It's just human behaviour." I had shouted at the radio in my car.
"It's NOT HUMAN BEHAVIOUR. IT'S MALE!"

And I'm so sorry for what that reporter went through.

I really don't want to generalise about religion/race as I do think this is a male thing but in my personal experience and the experiences of people I know irl there does seem to be an over representation of sexual assault by Muslim men where I'm from. I've been through mental ward then group therapy and later the freedom program and the pattern I've seen is all types of men can potentially assult their partners or children/nieces but when it's a man who the victim didn't know it was a Muslim man. There was a gang rape at my school the victim was 14 I think and it was Muslim boys and many others in the school said she asked for it based on how she dressed. I had one friend who said an actual teacher was gang raped in her school by Muslim teens. I don't know if there are stats on it, I feel like I should see them before making such generalisations but this has been the stories I personally have heard/experiences

Beyond words!