Starmer is asked about toilets AGAIN

He's pathetic - couldn't get away from the journalist fast enough.

And if he does attack us, we should have known better. But since he's a "she" we're additionally punished for thinking one of the sacred caste might not be safe to be around. In the unlikely event it ever gets to court, there's the humiliation ritual of being required to call him "her".

On the 'what women/men do in toilets' question:
There's also the fact that toilets by their nature are enclosed areas shut away from the main part of a building, and sometimes there are only one or two people in there.

Being shut in a room with a strange man is a potentially risky situation for a woman. Currently, or at least up until gender ideology took over, seeing a man there was a red flag. You knew that chances were he was up to no good, and could react accordingly. You would get out if you could; or lock yourself in the cubicle; maybe hang around to see another girl out safely; call staff and ask them to remove him.

In the proposed approach where anyone can go in, we're supposed to just ignore a man there. We're not supposed to take action to keep ourselves safe. We certainly wouldn't get support from staff, we might even get called bigots and thrown out of the building ourselves.

Especially since a man claiming to be a woman so as to force his way in, would be very likely getting off on it.

I felt really humiliated when I was sorting out the results of a random flooding period in a public loo. Naked from the waist down, trying to wash my belly, bum and thighs, tights thrown in the bin, rinsing the worst of the blood out of my knickers and pulling them back on wet and then rinsing out my skirt and using the hand dryer to dry it enough for me to put it back on. At least I had the sympathy of those women who were there. The idea of going through that in the presence of a man, however they present, would leave me wanting to die.

He is utterly repellent. What I find incredible is that he is married with a daughter. Imagine being them and knowing your husband/dad literally doesn’t give a shit about your rights; anything for votes

Does an 11 year old girl have the right to use a woman's toilet without a male stranger in there?

Tell that to the men who want to be in the toliets with women and girls. They could just as easily use the cubicals in the mens toilets.

What do women do in toilets?

I have also have had to dry off a rinsed breast milk explosion in a work scenario because I couldn’t leave a meeting and by the time I got to the toilet had breastmilk all over my shirt.

I have had to clean up baby vomit, food from messy toddlers, or even spilt drinks or my own lunch. I come across others stripped to bras drying shirts out, so I know I am not the only one. A woman the other day had red wine spilled down her front and wash in her bra at the pub toilets.

in similar situation to the pram scenario, I had had to take my disabled mother to the toilet in a normal cubicle when the accessible was not available. I had her wherelchair jammed and couldn’t leave her to push it out and close the door. She was very distressed that people could see her but there was no option.

My list is long on ‘how do female people use their single sex space’, it is so much more complex than ‘just want to pee’

@user1471453601
single sex spaces are safer for women & girls

the societal expectation that men stay out of women's toilets means that the dodgy men who we really need to keep out are visible. We know instantly to be wary if we see a man entering women's space. Good men don't do that.

(I peed in many a men's toilet in clubs in my youth too - the difference was it was my choice, & I - like you- announced myself to allow any objections. A random group of men are far safer statistically than the single dodgy bloke who chooses to cross women's boundaries)

And yes toilets are the very very thin end of the wedge.

I'd love to ask him (all of them, really ) "Why do you hate women so much?" Maybe while attached to a lie detector.

Yep. Just had one baby, not two. But had to do the weekly shop on foot, not car, and had no one to watch the baby. So had a pram laden with. Shopping and a crying child while dealing with flooding.

Surorisung how few posters ever think of this. Still no ‘family’ toilets in our area and very few accessible. So even today I would be in the same position as I was then.

Bloody hell - no wonder stonewall are quiet they're busy writing statements about the "equalities " act for Starmer 😩

I've met 4 blokes dressed up like women wanking in the ladies but apparently I'm a bigot for complaining and should just shut up about it!

Awesome for you. You don’t have a buggy and 2 toddlers and family toilet is full and you have to jam the door open with buggy whilst trying to have a pee

at leat in a womens toilet you know there’s no men watching

try thinking about what other women might experience.

Have you thought to wonder what it is that men do in women's toilets?

Plant cameras.
Jerk off while listening to women peeing in the next cubicle.
Rifle through sanitary bins to extract used pads.
Put those pads in their own pants for sexual gratification.
Chuck used sanpro all over the floor.
Pee on the floor.
Pre with the cubicle door open.
Push women into cubicle to assault them.
Intimidate women.

These are all things I have either actually seen, myself, or have read reports of in mainstream news outlets.

@PronounssheRa yes, I totally under stand the hospital wards ect argument and would support others who stand for single sex spaces.

I guess you are right. The single sex toilet thing is a red herring used by a lazy journalist

It's frustrating that journos only ask about toilets, because that really is the thin edge of the wedge. It's about hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, rape crisis centres, domestic violence refuges, single sex accommodation especially for scouts, guides, school trips. Basically any any place that needs to be single sex to protect the dignity and safety of women and girls.

Thanks for your reply @ifIwerenotanandroid

Over 400 posts here to help you to understand.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

"I do want to ensure ... er ... that ,,,"
He sounds so convincing. Not.

Women have been known to do many things in the toilet.

Cry over a bad day...escape from a bad date...clean themselves up after a heavy period...have a miscarriage.

I myself suffered some menopausal flooding at an airport and had to wash out my linen trousers in the sink and dry them under the hand dryer. I was mortified as it was, without having to worry about sharing the space with a bloke.

It's so offensive isn't it. What about the men who have genitals removed for cancer - they are still men.

It just makes me wonder what some women do in the toilets? I go into a sealed unit (as in close the door) have my wee or poo, wipe myself, pull up my underwear and exit the door. I then wash my hands, perhaps 're apply my make up, go back out of the toilet.

when I was much younger and frequented clubs, it was not that off for me to enter the mens toilet, shout out that a woman was going in, avert my eyes as I entered, and use the first available cubical. It was quite normal around that time. I didn't feel like I was invading their space, it was a practical solution to the fact that women need to to pee sat down and ,because they are private.

I'm sick of this now generally popular idea that if a man has had his genitals surgically removed then it is fine for him to be in women's private spaces.
It seems to have taken hold with the public too. A bit like the Eunuch in the Harem - who is perceived as being no threat to the Sultan, his wives and concubines, because he's no longer really a man.