Coordinating spoilt ballots

That mirrors where I am, exactly. Unfortunately. 😡

And OP thank you for this thread, I've been honestly wrestling with this for weeks, this thread has really helped me confirm my decision. X

The scolders on this thread are REALLY tiresome. Many of us have patiently explained that we have given this a LOT of thought, have wrestled with our conscience and feel genuinely distressed that we don't feel, in good conscience that there is ANYONE we can vote for.We are not ' vain ', as some pp have said. I'm a lifelong Labour voter ( and I'm in a safe Labour seat ) and I've longed for a Labour victory for YEARS, but this current iteration, who are going to be DISASTROUS for women, are not the party that I grew up with.

As many pp have said, I didn't leave The Left, The Left left me.

Binglebong · Today 21:01
I would imagine people suggested you are a man because telling women repeatedly what they should think despite being told they know does come across as mansplaining.”

Oh stop it. You just don’t like that lots of biological women disagree with you.

Well said! And thank you for this thread. Grateful for the ideas and the solidarity

"I've said (repeatedly!) that I am worried. I am just not worried enough to not vote for a party that despite getting it wrong on this, does better in other areas."

@ColinMyWifeBridgerton that's interesting because I would argue that that goes back to socialisation. Women are never important enough. There is always something more important than us. We are always the second class. And as I have said in a previous post, I find it so dehumanising.

To put it into context for me, I am a woman and an ethnic minority. The Labour Party could offer me the moon on a stick and as a woman I would still not vote for them because I cannot vote for a party that has fundamentally decided that my place on this planet as a woman is up for debate. In the same way that I would never vote for Reform or any other right wing party no matter what they offered because they are fundamentally racist.

I cannot in good conscience vote for a political party that is aiming to strip away the rights and protections of my people. No matter what they are offering.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

That's nicely put.

I wrote, "None of the above. I cannot vote for Tories, racists, or people who think a woman can have a penis."

Glad to have read this thread.

I'm spoiling now too, and feel relieved to have decided.

Will work on what to write but it will make the reason clear.

Ok this is just getting silly. You can read back on my posts and see for yourself that I've at no point told anyone what to think, or how to vote, or what to do. I've explained why despite being GC, I won't spoil my ballot.

That's fine for you - as the saying goes, "Your mileage may vary" - other women have different red lines.

I've said (repeatedly!) that I am worried. I am just not worried enough to not vote for a party that despite getting it wrong on this, does better in other areas.

"But I also care about many different things - cost of living, taxes, benefits, child poverty, and many more. I think one party does significantly better than the other on these issues."

@ColinMyWifeBridgerton we cannot protect the needs of the most vulnerable women in society if we are no longer allowed or able to say what a woman is. So this is not a single issue. Rather, it is a central issue that will have significant repercussions for everything else.

Think about women in the justice system. Women in rape or crisis shelters. Women and children in refuges. Women and children in hospitals and on wards. Women and children in changing rooms and toilets. And so on and on and on.

How can we legislate for any of your concerns if we as a society decide the very concept of a woman no longer exists in its current form? How do we organise our society? What happens to us? I will say it again-women's rights change like the tide. Just look at the USA.

If you're not worried then you're not paying attention.

What is it with this crowd, so quick to accuse people of being men.

I'm a woman. A natal woman, I've given birth and everything. I'm also a GC woman to boot.

I find the push to include men under the category of woman disturbing too. Not humiliating, I wouldn't say, but I agree that it should give us cause for alarm and that we should resist the change.

But I also care about many different things - cost of living, taxes, benefits, child poverty, and many more. I think one party does significantly better than the other on these issues.

You find it suprising? I find it even more suprising that you do. This 'single issue' informs all of life, every policy and area of actvity of half the population! Along with women and childrens safety. Maybe youre a man and if so that explains your lack of comprehension.
Though I hazard a guess if you are, that you would be screaming from the rooftops if this humiliation was happening to you.

Wrong! I have worked counts, and they absolutely care especialy if the vote is close and theres enough of them.

Well said. For decade after decade we have been told to wait, and be good, because there are other more ' pressing issues', both by political parties and the Unions.
NO MORE, we are half the country, time to stand up for ourselves.

You cared enough to issue a ticking-off. One of many on MN over the last few days.

Neither will anyone else, so hey ho.

We. Don't. Care.

I've worked a count before.

Spoil your ballot if it makes you feel better in yourself, but you may as well write down your go-to McDonalds order on it for all the difference it will make to those who see it.

I won't vote for liars. Even a 5 year old knows what a WOMAN is.

I've said it before - I see it as a choice between piles of shit. Why should I vote for anyone when they are offering me nothing to vote FOR. I'm traditionally a best chance of beating the tory voter, that usually means Labour. Didnt like Corbyn's fantasies but in reality he wouldnt have been able to achieve them. Starmer's fantasy that men can be women whenever they want to claim they are is a step too far. The party has shown me how misogynistic it is, how it is still living in a fantasy world and I cant vote for that. But Sunak likely wont survive the next election even if by some miracle the tories are not wiped out and the rigtht wing will try to replace him with someone less sane.

I rather like Count Binface being seen as the least insane politician.