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Coordinating spoilt ballots

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Binglebong · 29/06/2024 12:38

I know there is a thread about have you spoilt your ballot but this is slightly different.

I'm trying to hold my nose and vote for someone but there is not a single potential MP in my constituency who does not disgust me. I don't want to vote Reform or someone as a protest as it might be seen that they have more support than they do. So the liklihood is that I will spoil my vote.

I know spoilt votes only really get looked at if there is a huge number or if the vote is close. But just in case I was wondering if it is worth having the same thing written on all of them to show that it is a massive issue that is losing them votes. What would you suggest (if you think it is a good idea).
Respect my sex if you want my X is a good one but is it the best?

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LargerThanAHobbit · 01/07/2024 21:14

dunBle · 01/07/2024 21:05

Can I suggest spaces and services? It's one of the things that has bothered me about this "women's spaces" discourse, that apart from the fudging of the single sex bit, there's no mention of single sex services. Not only do I want to be able to use a female only changing room, but if I need intimate care I want that to be female only too.

I want to keep it as short as possible, no more than four words, so that the poor council worker who glances at it at 4am in the morning may just read it before tossing it in the 'spoiled' pile.
If it can't be read in a single glance, it may as well be a full paragraph, or a scribble. Both would fail to convey any message.

Danana · 01/07/2024 21:12

I do think that spoiling your ballot is substantively different to just not voting, and it’s a legitimate choice.
Having said that, since what is written on them is not noted or seen by anyone except the poll worker, be prepared for the public perception and punditry to assume that a lot of the spoilt ballots might be related to policy on Palestine. (Which a lot of other spoilt ballots may be.)

dunBle · 01/07/2024 21:05

LargerThanAHobbit · 01/07/2024 20:53

I think I will write "protect single-sex spaces" in big capitals, across all the boxes.

Because to me, spaces, i.e. changing rooms, loos, hospitals, counselling rooms, etc. are more important than sport.

Can I suggest spaces and services? It's one of the things that has bothered me about this "women's spaces" discourse, that apart from the fudging of the single sex bit, there's no mention of single sex services. Not only do I want to be able to use a female only changing room, but if I need intimate care I want that to be female only too.

LargerThanAHobbit · 01/07/2024 20:53

I think I will write "protect single-sex spaces" in big capitals, across all the boxes.

Because to me, spaces, i.e. changing rooms, loos, hospitals, counselling rooms, etc. are more important than sport.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 01/07/2024 19:58

Also, from another thread: DramaLlamaBangBang · 07/06/2024 07:48
I did the count for the 2019 election. Spoilt ballot papers are put to one side. All candidates have to read the spoilt ballot papers and agree that they are a genuine spoilt ballot, and not a vote for any party. They have to be recorded as a spoilt ballot.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 01/07/2024 19:52

Corinthiana · 29/06/2024 14:19

Genuinely, it's a waste of time. It just gives extra work at the count and they're not really the people who will institute change.
Just stay at home if there isn't a good candidate.

No, staying at home suggests you’re not concerned. Spoiling your ballot paper sends a different message.

It would not be impossible for all spoilt ballots to be read and noted. But even if they’re not, they tell politicians how many people find all current options unacceptable.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 19:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 15:57

Ok there is almost zero chance my vote will arrive on time but it is in the post. I was quoted 60€ for express delivery and even then it might not have arrived until Friday.

Christ. Fuck that!

🤞it gets on a plane tonight or tomorrow and then gets priority delivery once in the UK!

JeannieDark · 01/07/2024 18:39

MoiraPose · 01/07/2024 15:35

Threads like this demonstrate just how successful female socialisation actually is.

In every single election, every single revolution, every single instance of civil disobedience, women are told to wait. To ignore their own needs and to do "what must be done for the greater good." We are told that once X or Y has been achieved, we will be remembered and rewarded for our patience. That the fight is bigger and more important than our rights and our needs. That we must wait and hold the line and be good girls because we cannot prioritise our needs right now. But that day will come soon. Very, very soon.

Well fuck that. I am tired of waiting. I am tired of being expected to prioritise the needs of everyone else above my own. I am tired of being expected to hold myself to a higher moral standard at every turn. I am tired of being expected to be kind and think of everyone else.

Controversial as some of you may deem it: my right to my sex class and its associated protections are just as important as the NHS and education. Why shouldn't they be?

I will not take part in this incessant game any longer. I will not vote for a party that is trying to tell me that my sex class either does not actually exist or that if it does, it is not important.

Let others take the fall this time. Let others put their needs on the back burner. Because if every single woman in this country who is sick and tired of this nonsense spoilt their ballot on Thursday then yes, it would make a huge difference.

Stop telling women to take a backseat yet again. I for one am done.

This. This. This. All day long.
Respect my sex if you want my X.

UtopiaPlanitia · 01/07/2024 18:30

MoiraPose · 01/07/2024 15:35

Threads like this demonstrate just how successful female socialisation actually is.

In every single election, every single revolution, every single instance of civil disobedience, women are told to wait. To ignore their own needs and to do "what must be done for the greater good." We are told that once X or Y has been achieved, we will be remembered and rewarded for our patience. That the fight is bigger and more important than our rights and our needs. That we must wait and hold the line and be good girls because we cannot prioritise our needs right now. But that day will come soon. Very, very soon.

Well fuck that. I am tired of waiting. I am tired of being expected to prioritise the needs of everyone else above my own. I am tired of being expected to hold myself to a higher moral standard at every turn. I am tired of being expected to be kind and think of everyone else.

Controversial as some of you may deem it: my right to my sex class and its associated protections are just as important as the NHS and education. Why shouldn't they be?

I will not take part in this incessant game any longer. I will not vote for a party that is trying to tell me that my sex class either does not actually exist or that if it does, it is not important.

Let others take the fall this time. Let others put their needs on the back burner. Because if every single woman in this country who is sick and tired of this nonsense spoilt their ballot on Thursday then yes, it would make a huge difference.

Stop telling women to take a backseat yet again. I for one am done.

THIS!!👏👏

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 16:41

Shortshriftandlethal · 30/06/2024 10:13

I am aware of that. I'm not claiming to live in poverty. I'm challenging your assumptions that have been formed on the basis of a very narrow concept and definition of 'working class'. A form of identity politics whereby being 'working class' is supposed to say all sorts of things about what you think and believe, about how you act, your values and so on.

I said some children, not that it was the norm. I'd never spend that sort of money on a coat - but clearly some 'working class' people do.

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This. People who ascribe class on the basis of mindsets instead of economic status clearly have not read Marx.

Flowers4me · 01/07/2024 16:21

MoiraPose · 01/07/2024 15:35

Threads like this demonstrate just how successful female socialisation actually is.

In every single election, every single revolution, every single instance of civil disobedience, women are told to wait. To ignore their own needs and to do "what must be done for the greater good." We are told that once X or Y has been achieved, we will be remembered and rewarded for our patience. That the fight is bigger and more important than our rights and our needs. That we must wait and hold the line and be good girls because we cannot prioritise our needs right now. But that day will come soon. Very, very soon.

Well fuck that. I am tired of waiting. I am tired of being expected to prioritise the needs of everyone else above my own. I am tired of being expected to hold myself to a higher moral standard at every turn. I am tired of being expected to be kind and think of everyone else.

Controversial as some of you may deem it: my right to my sex class and its associated protections are just as important as the NHS and education. Why shouldn't they be?

I will not take part in this incessant game any longer. I will not vote for a party that is trying to tell me that my sex class either does not actually exist or that if it does, it is not important.

Let others take the fall this time. Let others put their needs on the back burner. Because if every single woman in this country who is sick and tired of this nonsense spoilt their ballot on Thursday then yes, it would make a huge difference.

Stop telling women to take a backseat yet again. I for one am done.

Well said.

JanesLittleGirl · 01/07/2024 16:18

My vote is exactly that; MY vote. I can choose to lend it to any candidate on the ballot paper for any reason. That is MY choice. I can spoil my ballot paper in any way that I choose. That is MY choice. I can simply not cast a vote if I so choose. That is MY choice.

It is MY choice to do whatever I want with MY vote.

FredaWallace666 · 01/07/2024 16:15

Just vote reform. they support everything you say you do.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 01/07/2024 16:05

BackToLurk · 30/06/2024 18:37

I'm really hoping that someone comes along to tell us what happens to the spoilt ballot papers.

They are counted and recorded as 'rejected' but they are definitely recorded according to the Electoral Commission.
The number is read out too with all the other results.

TemporalMechanic · 01/07/2024 16:04

@MoiraPose Very well said!

In every single election, every single revolution, every single instance of civil disobedience, women are told to wait. To ignore their own needs and to do "what must be done for the greater good." We are told that once X or Y has been achieved, we will be remembered and rewarded for our patience. That the fight is bigger and more important than our rights and our needs. That we must wait and hold the line and be good girls because we cannot prioritise our needs right now. But that day will come soon. Very, very soon.

Of course, this time we're not even being told that. Labour have made it very clear that that day will never come. Women won't be later rewarded by holding our noses and voting for them. No, our rights and needs don't matter at all, not by comparison to the desires of men with ladyfeels and ladydicks. And we're phobic bigots if we dare object. Even those who try to be more diplomatic use the obfuscating language of 'safe spaces' when asked about single sex ones, as if we're too stupid to notice.

No party deserves my vote.

MoiraPose · 01/07/2024 16:03

@Vegemiteandhoneyontoast it really bothers me that these threads always descend like this. Especially the rhetoric around perceived levels of importance of issues. Are we not human also? Do we not have needs? Can we not ask for help? It's genuinely dehumanising to be told time and time again that I cannot place any value in myself and my needs as I am not as important as issue X or group Y.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 01/07/2024 15:57

Corinthiana · 29/06/2024 14:19

Genuinely, it's a waste of time. It just gives extra work at the count and they're not really the people who will institute change.
Just stay at home if there isn't a good candidate.

It isn't a waste of time. Staying at home and foing nothing is a waste of time.

Spoilt ballots are counted, recorded and announced. They have to be by law.

Their record is an important way of measuring the mood of the electorate. Imagine if 40% of all votes cast were spoilt. That would send a clear message of voter dissatisfaction.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 15:57

Ok there is almost zero chance my vote will arrive on time but it is in the post. I was quoted 60€ for express delivery and even then it might not have arrived until Friday.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 01/07/2024 15:56

@MoiraPose well bloody said, I couldn't agree more!

Fluffyhoglets · 01/07/2024 15:53

Enoughwiththisshit · 29/06/2024 14:15

Currently thinking about how to spoil my ballot (or not) in a way that means it might need to be looked at by more than one person for a decision on its validity. Probably by writing a message within one of the boxes.

It will count as a vote to that candidate

Binglebong · 01/07/2024 15:49

I have found this thread useful because arguing for spoiling ballots has really cemented to me it's worth. So thanks doomsayers telling me not to do it!

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MoiraPose · 01/07/2024 15:35

Threads like this demonstrate just how successful female socialisation actually is.

In every single election, every single revolution, every single instance of civil disobedience, women are told to wait. To ignore their own needs and to do "what must be done for the greater good." We are told that once X or Y has been achieved, we will be remembered and rewarded for our patience. That the fight is bigger and more important than our rights and our needs. That we must wait and hold the line and be good girls because we cannot prioritise our needs right now. But that day will come soon. Very, very soon.

Well fuck that. I am tired of waiting. I am tired of being expected to prioritise the needs of everyone else above my own. I am tired of being expected to hold myself to a higher moral standard at every turn. I am tired of being expected to be kind and think of everyone else.

Controversial as some of you may deem it: my right to my sex class and its associated protections are just as important as the NHS and education. Why shouldn't they be?

I will not take part in this incessant game any longer. I will not vote for a party that is trying to tell me that my sex class either does not actually exist or that if it does, it is not important.

Let others take the fall this time. Let others put their needs on the back burner. Because if every single woman in this country who is sick and tired of this nonsense spoilt their ballot on Thursday then yes, it would make a huge difference.

Stop telling women to take a backseat yet again. I for one am done.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 15:29

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 15:28

Stick it in and hope, I think. It's priority mail once it hits these shores, so should hopefully be OK (can it go into the postal system tonight?). How much is express?

I'm in a call until 5pm. I'll try and get to the post office before it closes at 5:30 and see whether there is an express service which can get it there in time and if so how much it costs. If it's too expensive I'll just stick it in the box and hope for the best.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/07/2024 15:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/07/2024 14:55

I just got home (it's 4pm here) to find my ballot paper in the letterbox.

I've just scrawled "none of the above. I am unable to vote for Tories, racists or people who believe a woman can have a penis" on it.

So my conscience is now clear.

The question is, do I just stick it in the postbox and hope it arrives by Thursday, or do I pay for express delivery so it arrives on time?

Stick it in and hope, I think. It's priority mail once it hits these shores, so should hopefully be OK (can it go into the postal system tonight?). How much is express?

MaidOfAle · 01/07/2024 15:18

Floatingvoternolandinsight · 29/06/2024 15:48

How did that work out for Brexit? Like I said, people can do what they want but lets not pretend it is anything noble or impactful.

Brexit, being a referendum, was a rare circumstance of each vote having the same weight and each vote mattering. There are no safe seats in a referendum.

It's not a valid comparison.