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Trans identified man sues McDonalds for being denied access to women’s changing rooms

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SamW98 · 29/06/2024 08:47

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-details-german-trans-identified-male-sues-mcdonalds-after-being-denied-access-to-womens-changing-room/

And with the totally batshit laws in place in Germany, he’ll probably win.

EXCLUSIVE DETAILS: German Trans-Identified Male Sues McDonald's After Being Denied Access to Women's Changing Room - Reduxx

A trans-identified male and former drag queen residing in Berlin is currently involved in litigation against McDonald’s after alleging he was denied access to the changing room intended for female employees. Kylie Divon, 27, also known as Keil Li, is s...

https://reduxx.info/exclusive-details-german-trans-identified-male-sues-mcdonalds-after-being-denied-access-to-womens-changing-room

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fedupandstuck · 29/06/2024 10:14

This man had not even discussed his social "transition" with his employer, he had just started to use the women's changing room without asking or discussing it. He is also legally male and was at the time too. Women should not have to deal with these men who just decide they can use women's facilities and waltz in expecting women to be bit part players in their main character life.

From reading the article, McDonalds may have some difficulty defending this because they offered compensation at an earlier stage of negotiations, which could be taken as an admission of liability. No idea if that's actually possible, or just bluster from this chap's lawyer.

Chariothorses · 29/06/2024 10:14

@TemuSpecialBuy if McDonalds is a US organisition they may not fight it? especially if the german laws allow it?
Women are not equal humans worthy of having human rights or bodily privacy from males according to some men (didn't David Tennant call us whinging fckers this week for not submitting to male fantasies?)*

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 10:09

TemuSpecialBuy · 29/06/2024 10:07

I’d be delighted for this to go to court.
McDonalds has the time and money to go the distance fighting this nonsense.

i 💯 think this person should have somewhere appropriate to change but that should 💯 not be a women’s changing room because that person is not a biological woman.

But that is 100% what a man like that does not want.

Chariothorses · 29/06/2024 10:09

@UpThePankhurst · Today 09:50
All spaces will be men's spaces. Women may use them if they are good girls who are willing to be used by the men in there for whatever agenda.

Yes this is absolutely the aim. https://womansplaceuk.org/2018/06/25/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions/

Women will be required to get undressed and vulnerable with male strangers -or unable to take part in society or access basic services, from toilets and changing rooms to abuse support. Labour will remove female bodily privacy and human rights and enforce rape culture to please their trans overlords- hence why they are being so dishonest about this and Stonewall have hurriedly changed their definition of trans because they have been so obvious about it. https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/stonewall-redefines-trans-to-exclude-crossdressers/

Evidence of calls to remove single sex exemptions from Equality Act - Woman's Place UK

Violence against women and sex discrimination still exist. Women need reserved places, separate spaces and distinct services.

https://womansplaceuk.org/2018/06/25/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions

TemuSpecialBuy · 29/06/2024 10:07

I’d be delighted for this to go to court.
McDonalds has the time and money to go the distance fighting this nonsense.

i 💯 think this person should have somewhere appropriate to change but that should 💯 not be a women’s changing room because that person is not a biological woman.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 10:07

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:33

At the bottom of that article there’s a link to another delightful German man suing for not being allowed access to naked women - doesn’t he look a delight. And I have a feeling he might be identifying as a different age as well as gender

reduxx.info/germany-balding-trans-identified-male-now-demanding-e2500-from-womens-gym-after-being-denied-access-to-showers/

Is there a list of these cases showing what happens with Gender Recognition changing someone’s sex?

This is baldie’s demand. It should be something to laugh at if we’re not so serious.
“You have to imagine it: he is standing in swimming trunks and the women are naked in the shower.”

What trauma he has endured, Sir Kier.

Datun · 29/06/2024 10:01

Good God. What did they think was going to happen.

Did they learn nothing from Jessica Yaniv?

Women will stop working there. And hopefully stop buying burgers. Then McDonald's will have to start using their global clout.

And all because:

In the interview, Divon revealed that during discussions with the McDonald’s legal team, he attempted to “explain” to the attorneys that women are not “real.”

And Germany went along with it.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 09:57

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 08:47

I feel angry. What sort of people/men passed these laws? They should be left with these ‘women’ they think are so real.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 29/06/2024 09:57

UpThePankhurst · 29/06/2024 09:50

There are many men in society who will really enjoy with several parts of them, women being forced to genuflect and be submissive to men like this in public.

All spaces will be men's spaces. Women may use them if they are good girls who are willing to be used by the men in there for whatever agenda. Just a visual prop if you're lucky, but it's not up to you. Eyes down, mouth shut, control your facial expression and body language.

Absolutely. Experience has taught me that many men don't like a woman who 'makes a fuss' over things and instead prefers passive, quiet women who don't question things.
And I'm coming from a position we're I have good relations of men in general and am happily married so it isn't like I have a poor opinion of men in general.

CocoapuffPuff · 29/06/2024 09:52

Good job I'm a good seamstress. I can make my own red cloak and white bonnet.

UpThePankhurst · 29/06/2024 09:50

There are many men in society who will really enjoy with several parts of them, women being forced to genuflect and be submissive to men like this in public.

All spaces will be men's spaces. Women may use them if they are good girls who are willing to be used by the men in there for whatever agenda. Just a visual prop if you're lucky, but it's not up to you. Eyes down, mouth shut, control your facial expression and body language.

CocoapuffPuff · 29/06/2024 09:46

Gosh, I'd love it if men were the ones to lead the charge on that. Let's face it, they're less likely overall to "be kind" and more likely to say what they see. When a woman doesn't follow orders, it's seen as rebellion, as a punishable offence, as something that requires correction. Will the same apply to men? I know some blokes have been dragged to court, but it has mostly been women.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 29/06/2024 09:46

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:33

At the bottom of that article there’s a link to another delightful German man suing for not being allowed access to naked women - doesn’t he look a delight. And I have a feeling he might be identifying as a different age as well as gender

reduxx.info/germany-balding-trans-identified-male-now-demanding-e2500-from-womens-gym-after-being-denied-access-to-showers/

Jesus, the people facilitating these men are as much to, if not more to, blame than the actual perpetrators. What the hell are they thinking?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/06/2024 09:46

CocoapuffPuff · 29/06/2024 09:38

Coming soon to every public place near you. Nirvana for males such as these is just a wee tick in a box away.

All you "allies" and hand wringing, be kind suck-ups - we WILL remind you that we told you so.

That reminds me of a great comeback I read to allies and suck ups when they wring their hands and say 'but nobody told us' - 'we told you. You just didn't listen.'

Labour gets a supermajority, the next five years are going to be horrific for women. And I have no confidence that what they do will be rolled back.

AgnesX · 29/06/2024 09:45

ArabellaScott · 29/06/2024 09:13

“I got reactions from cis women looking at me like, ‘Why am I there?’ I don’t need you to tell me if I’m a woman or not. I got a b*tch that turned her eyes into a scanner… and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”

🙄

Dear God almighty 🙄 The lack of awareness where other people are concerned is breath taking.
It's all about him and f* the rest of you.

Given that he supposedly didn't tell management of his alleged transition and then their offer to use a lockable changing room hopefully the tribunal will throw the case out.

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:41

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 29/06/2024 09:39

Haven't Germany just passed that absolutely batshit €10k fine for misgendering as well?

It’s also Germany where a woman was jailed for hurting the feelings of paedophile rapists longer than the actual rapists got.

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 29/06/2024 09:39

Haven't Germany just passed that absolutely batshit €10k fine for misgendering as well?

CocoapuffPuff · 29/06/2024 09:38

Coming soon to every public place near you. Nirvana for males such as these is just a wee tick in a box away.

All you "allies" and hand wringing, be kind suck-ups - we WILL remind you that we told you so.

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:33

At the bottom of that article there’s a link to another delightful German man suing for not being allowed access to naked women - doesn’t he look a delight. And I have a feeling he might be identifying as a different age as well as gender

reduxx.info/germany-balding-trans-identified-male-now-demanding-e2500-from-womens-gym-after-being-denied-access-to-showers/

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BloodyHellKenAgain · 29/06/2024 09:29

The filters are doing a lot of heavy lifting in that photo. He looks to have smoother, more babysoft skin than my daughters 😂
What an absolute bullying 'hole he is.

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 09:29

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/06/2024 09:21

Does anyone else go into the loos expecting to be smiled at? could be just me but I go in, do my business, handwash, quick check in the mirror and out. I don't expect public toilets to be a social hub to validate my existence.

Yep. And this is one (amongst many) reasons that men will never understand being a woman.

When we’re getting changed most of us do it quickly, no eye contact, showing as little as possible - just get in get on get put. Whereas these men seem to think the women’s changing room is a place to flash their penis to as many women as possible causing as much discomfort as they can. But it’s not a fetish - of course not!

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UpThePankhurst · 29/06/2024 09:27

So basically: shut up, take your clothes off and present your body to meet my needs, or you can't use this space at all. Women's spaces are mine, and if you in any way thwart me, I'll have the law on you. And the law cares only about me and other people with penises.

Give Labour 2 minutes in power, this is what's coming.

Reddog1 · 29/06/2024 09:25

He’s a disgrace. A threat to women and girls. I hope he loses the case.

WickedSerious · 29/06/2024 09:22

MarieDeGournay · 29/06/2024 09:18

"and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”
Aw lovely. So maybe use the more convivial men's toilet instead in future?

Quite,I'm sure he'd have a jolly old time with those 'creatures'.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 29/06/2024 09:21

MarieDeGournay · 29/06/2024 09:18

"and the only creatures that were actually smiling at me back were men.”
Aw lovely. So maybe use the more convivial men's toilet instead in future?

Does anyone else go into the loos expecting to be smiled at? could be just me but I go in, do my business, handwash, quick check in the mirror and out. I don't expect public toilets to be a social hub to validate my existence.