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12 year old referred to Prevent fir saying ‘I’m gay not queer’ and ‘there’s only 2 genders’

87 replies

SamW98 · 28/06/2024 22:52

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13581155/Boy-12-referred-counter-extremist-Prevent-officers-school-declaring-two-genders-Im-gay-not-queer.html

And also having far right terrorist views apparently - he’s a kid ffs a gay Jewish kid being bullied - is this what the counter-extremism police are really supposed to be dealing with?

Prevent investigates boy, 12, for saying there 'are only two genders'

A 12-year-old schoolboy has been investigated by counter-extremism officers after he declared there 'are only two genders' and 'there's no such thing as non-binary'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13581155/Boy-12-referred-counter-extremist-Prevent-officers-school-declaring-two-genders-Im-gay-not-queer.html

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CurlewKate · 29/06/2024 19:25

It's obvious even from the very positive DM report that this child is being manipulated by his mother. So yes, it is entirely right that the situation is investigated.

TicklishLemur · 29/06/2024 19:24

BonifaceBonanza · 29/06/2024 19:09

Prevent’s job isn’t to police racism, antisemitism or gender beliefs. It’s to prevent radicalisation that could lead to terrorism.

The fact the child is Jewish is completely irrelevant here.

If the news report is correct he has been referred to prevent because a) he says there are only 2 genders and b) he rejects the word queer.

This couldn’t be more ridiculous. Who actually believes that rejecting alternate genders make a person at risk of radicalisation??!! It’s a legal right to hold and express that opinion.

She said counter terror officers - who visited the family home - raised concerns over the fact that her son, who is Jewish, harboured extremist views on account of his response when asked if there were any groups that shouldn't exist.

She said her son responded that 'Hamas (the Gaza-based terror group) should be wiped out'.

That is from the article, so I think the fact that he is Jewish (and also how he has been terribly abused for it) is relevant here. He is a part of two groups currently being targeted by the kind of people who act as TRAs.

BonifaceBonanza · 29/06/2024 19:09

Prevent’s job isn’t to police racism, antisemitism or gender beliefs. It’s to prevent radicalisation that could lead to terrorism.

The fact the child is Jewish is completely irrelevant here.

If the news report is correct he has been referred to prevent because a) he says there are only 2 genders and b) he rejects the word queer.

This couldn’t be more ridiculous. Who actually believes that rejecting alternate genders make a person at risk of radicalisation??!! It’s a legal right to hold and express that opinion.

TicklishLemur · 29/06/2024 18:44

Wow you couldn’t make it up. Maybe they should have been focusing on the foul anti-Semitic racism occurring under their watch instead of treating the victim as a terrorist! But yes of course a gay Jewish boy is a far right extremist 🙄. Queer is also a horrible homophobic slur. It infuriates me that the vast majority of people who feel entitled to ‘reappropriate’ it have never had it directed at them as a term of abuse.

IwantToRetire · 29/06/2024 18:33

I think what radicalises people is visiting a 12 year old Jewish boy accusing him of terrorism for knowing that sex exists and for being gay.

Exactly.

HarrietSchulenberg · 29/06/2024 11:02

Unless I've missed it, there's nothing to say that the other children weren't also referred to Prevent.
It's not a punishment, it's intended as a supportive measure to prevent extremism - clue's in the name.
I would imagine that the child's online activity, and parents' supervision of such, would also have played a part. I've made referrals to Prevent myself and I believe there's more to this than has been reported.

Imnobody4 · 29/06/2024 10:38

Harry from Fair Cop who are involved.
https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1806274893916320133?t=iMt0t5wVqoX_XNyS852eYg&s=19

There need to repercussions from this. Prevent are beyond out of line.

x.com

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1806274893916320133?s=19&t=iMt0t5wVqoX_XNyS852eYg

AlisonDonut · 29/06/2024 10:23

I think what radicalises people is visiting a 12 year old Jewish boy accusing him of terrorism for knowing that sex exists and for being gay.

Well done Stonewall. All that training you did under the Diversity Equity and Inclusion banner. All that income generated. Thing is, I think you are proud of what you became.

CurlewKate · 29/06/2024 10:17

This child is thought to be in danger of being radicalised. Which he is. His mother is obviously manipulating him-she's the one posting the videos in his name. The situation obviously needs to be investigated.

NitroNine · 29/06/2024 10:15

Jesus wept. Yes, a wee Jewish lad, top of the far right’s recruitment list 🤦🏻‍♀️

ScreamingBeans · 29/06/2024 10:08

#TwoTierPolicing

All the terrorism on this issue has come from transactiivsts, who regularly try and terrorise women, turning up to threaten them with violence when they meet.

Not one GC person has ever behaved in the terroristic manner of transactivists.

And yet the police target GC, not transactivism.

I am so angry that the tories have allowed the infilitration of all the institutions of state by this regressive ideology. They woke up too late and did too little to counter it and now we're going to have this sort of shit for the next five years.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2024 10:02

mach2 · 29/06/2024 07:59

Prevent is a monster that needs taking behind the barn and shooting. It was intended as a means of intimidating Muslims with the wrong opinions and now it's spread its tentacles.

The Tories under Cameron wanted to be able to impose banning orders on people the state seems "extremist" (people who the state deem extreme but do not carry out or incite violence). These orders would have greatly restricted the civil rights of people who didn't break the law.

I see Mark Rowley wants to be able to act against people who don't break the law.

The political class seems to be composed of people who have forgotten the totalitarian horrors of the 20th century, that we were in armed standoff with and defined ourselves against countries with such laws.

Agree mach, it's very concerning.

Treaclewell · 29/06/2024 10:00

It's glaringly obvious that Prevent has been armed and aimed at a Jewish lad to enhance the antisemitic campaign which the school did nothing to counter. They should have been knocking at the doors of the bullies.

SinnerBoy · 29/06/2024 08:59

BallerinaFall · Yesterday 23:06

If he has far right opinions then its right it was actioned to Prevent.

He doesn't seem to have any far right connections. The school decided that his legally protected views are extreme, even though they're not. In my opinion, they have bullied and harassed him and if the mother is correct, so have the Police.

The school did nothing about the horrible campaign of bullying and anti-Semitic abuse, which he was subjected to, but decided that, because he's gay and not a subscriber to trans ideology, that he's an extremist.

mach2 · 29/06/2024 07:59

Prevent is a monster that needs taking behind the barn and shooting. It was intended as a means of intimidating Muslims with the wrong opinions and now it's spread its tentacles.

The Tories under Cameron wanted to be able to impose banning orders on people the state seems "extremist" (people who the state deem extreme but do not carry out or incite violence). These orders would have greatly restricted the civil rights of people who didn't break the law.

I see Mark Rowley wants to be able to act against people who don't break the law.

The political class seems to be composed of people who have forgotten the totalitarian horrors of the 20th century, that we were in armed standoff with and defined ourselves against countries with such laws.

IwantToRetire · 29/06/2024 01:10

When I say I just cant believe it, it is because it just seems incredible that even after media publicity, Cass Review, etc., etc., a school would refer a child to Prevent.

What type of hysterical over reaction is that. Either there is some nutter in the school admin system of they have been so Stonewalled they just had a knee jerk reaction.

And if as the story suggests he put together the video because of bullying he is really brave, and it shames the teachers and whatever safeguarding system that he couldn't turn to them for support.

The bullies should be sent to Prevent.

This is so obnoxious, and just terrifying.

I hope the school gets named and shamed.

I hope other papers and news outlets report this.

duc748 · 29/06/2024 00:21

Sure, but having some regard for the lad himself being Jewish...

Garlicker · 29/06/2024 00:18

MariaLuna · 29/06/2024 00:10

Yep. Maybe we should all expect a knock on the door any time soon

Not o.k. to write that. People really did experience that, taken away to concentration camps.

And women have experienced it in the present UK for having tweeted something a genderist reported as 'hate speech'.

Terror tactics exist outside of 1930s Germany, you know. If you're interested, check out Chinese Uyghurs being dragged from their homes in the middle of the night to be 're-educated', similar and worse atrocities going on all over Africa, and ... well, plenty more.

MariaLuna · 29/06/2024 00:10

Yep. Maybe we should all expect a knock on the door any time soon

Not o.k. to write that. People really did experience that, taken away to concentration camps.

SamW98 · 29/06/2024 00:07

yourhairiswinterfire · 29/06/2024 00:05

You can read the original and 'edited' versions of her OP, they're exactly the same.

The title was edited because it said 'fat' instead of gay, and I think that's why it's showing that she edited her post.

Thank you. I asked MN to edit the title as gay autocorrected to fat but nothing else has changed so no idea what that poster is talking about other than to derail

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SamW98 · 29/06/2024 00:05

MoonshineSon · 29/06/2024 00:00

You have! We can see your edit.

It’s still there so look properly.- no idea what you’re trying to say as everyone can see that nothing except the title changed (at my request to MN admin).

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yourhairiswinterfire · 29/06/2024 00:05

MoonshineSon · 29/06/2024 00:00

You have! We can see your edit.

You can read the original and 'edited' versions of her OP, they're exactly the same.

The title was edited because it said 'fat' instead of gay, and I think that's why it's showing that she edited her post.

Valeriekat · 29/06/2024 00:04

BallerinaFall · 28/06/2024 23:06

If he has far right opinions then its right it was actioned to Prevent. Thats why anyone in a safeguarding role has to complete Prevent duty training.

But he doesn't does he?
Prevent was supposed to be used to prevent terrorism but rather predictably it is being used to intimidate people with the wrong views ie anyone who is GC.

spannasaurus · 29/06/2024 00:03

MoonshineSon · 29/06/2024 00:00

You have! We can see your edit.

Look again

MoonshineSon · 29/06/2024 00:00

SamW98 · 28/06/2024 23:27

I haven’t edited anything out

You have! We can see your edit.

12 year old referred to Prevent fir saying ‘I’m gay not queer’ and ‘there’s only 2 genders’