12 year old referred to Prevent fir saying ‘I’m gay not queer’ and ‘there’s only 2 genders’

This is a new low in policing. Harass a child for stating simple facts, and ignore the bullies who have been piling on with antisemitic abuse.
I’d like to think the police officers involved in this feel ashamed.

If knowing that humans come in 2 - and only 2 - sexes makes someone far right, then the whole world is far right.

Prevent is aimed at children. Most of the time the intervention they do is for a good reason. If he's having far right views etc then that's exactly what prevent is for. To try and educate kids before they actively do bad stuff, as they said, after 13 they have more freedom and more criminal responsibility. So it's good to try and nip it in the bud.

@TicklishLemur I don't think saying you want a terrorist organisation wiped off the face of the map is extreme. I've said exactly the same thing about Hamas. After what they did to those women last year (and continue to do to the ones held captive,) I think they are utterly evil. I'm not Jewish, btw. I have all the sympathy in the world for the innocent Palestinians caught in the crossfire, but Hamas can do one.

Prevent training is not fit for purpose. I know one boy who has a German father, British mother, whose school referred him to Prevent for singing a 1930s German song (nothing to do with Nazis) that he had heard in a viral TikTok. The schools attitude was horrific.

Yet the NSPCC (and multiple other reputable and accountable sources) agree.

See also their messages regarding the average adult not waiting until they're certain of risk and schools having a duty under the Counter Terrorism and Security Act to identify vulnerable young people and help PREVENT them being drawn in.

You're gonna need some aspirin after that stretch.

Kids who have been bullied can be prime candidates for being at risk of radicalisation and extremism.

It can obviously cause isolation, low self esteem, anger, sense of injustice, confusion and grievance.

Nobody's saying that bullying is right, but it's true that victims can change their behaviour, withdraw, turn to groups who appear to understand them and look for meaning elsewhere.

@IwantToRetire I bow to your superior knowledge. All I had to go on was the link posted on here, but you have so much detail at your disposal you are obviously closely involved in the case. Can you share how? I understand that you might be constrained by the need for confidentiality.

So you mean the school is doubly incompetent.

Not only can they not protect a child being bullied, that cant address the issue of bullying in the school.

And even if, as said in the article, some of the bullying was about the boy being Jewish, than that is antisemitism. Whether anti semitism or some other racism, is not what Prevent is about.

We don't know whether the bullies were also reported to Prevent.

If someone at school was worried about how he was presenting they were duty bound to report.

Oh give it up with your massive avoidance of the problem.

The boy was being bullied.

The school could have stepped and stopped the bullying.

Being isolated and unsupported because of bullying HAS NOTHING WHAT SO EVER with a young person identifying with a terrorist group.

If your reading of Prevent is that it is to criminalise the victim of bullying you have clearly shows that Prevent isn't fit for purpose.

Please dont tell me you work in education.

This is so mind numbingly depressing that anyone could construe what was happening to him was "radicalisation".

HE WAS BEING BULLIED.

Please quote the relevant part of the approved education guidelines on who children who are being bullied should be supported.

"Offering a very narrow, manipulated version of an identity that often supports stereotypical gender norms" eh?

No comment!

If someone at school was worried about how he was presenting they were duty bound to report.

From Government leaflet on Prevent:

The overall aim of our counter-terrorism strategy, is to reduce the risk from terrorism to the UK, its citizens and interests overseas, so that people can go about their lives freely and with confidence. Prevent remains one of the key pillars of CONTEST, alongside the
other three ‘P’ work strands:
• Prevent: to stop people becoming terrorists or supporting terrorism
• Pursue: to stop terrorist attacks
• Protect: to strengthen our protection against a terrorist attack
• Prepare: to mitigate the impact of a terrorist attack

The aim of Prevent is to stop people from becoming terrorists or supporting terrorism. Prevent also extends to supporting the rehabilitation and disengagement of those already involved in terrorism.

The Prevent duty requires specified authorities such as education,
health, local authorities, police and criminal justice agencies (prisons
and probation) to help prevent the risk of people becoming terrorists or
supporting terrorism. It sits alongside long-established safeguarding duties on professionals to protect people from a range of other harms, such as substance abuse, involvement in gangs, and physical and sexual exploitation. The duty helps to ensure that people who are susceptible to radicalisation are supported as they would be under safeguarding processes.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65e5a5bd3f69457ff1035fe2/14.258_HO_Prevent+Duty+Guidance_v5d_Final_Web_1_.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-prevent-duty-safeguarding-learners-vulnerable-to-radicalisation/understanding-and-identifying-radicalisation-risk-in-your-education-setting

The school should had dealt with the bullying.

The "concerns" are that the school pupils were bullying a boy for being Jewish and believe sex is a biological fact.

The only concenrs are the schools failure.

There is absolutely NOTHING in this situation that is any where near the remit of Prevent.

Lets just hope that most other schools have had clear training about what Prevent is meant for, and more importantly how to protect a pupil who has a minority opinion.

The school (and all adults working with children) have a duty to report concerns. They don't investigate and it's the prevent team who are qualified to support kids at risk of radicalisation.

You should always pass on niggles that something isn't right so they can be looked into properly. The referral isn't the problem, it's that we don't know exactly what it contained that's making people speculate.

You have no evidence that his mother is manipulating him.

In what seems to have been a total failure to prevent her son from being bullied for believing sex is real and for being Jewish, she helped him post a video he has made about what he believed to the internet.

The school reacted to having their failure exposed and (vidictively ie they could have suggested having a meeting) referred hinm to Prevent. (Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??)

He feels, powerless, and I suspect his mother does as well. The institutions (education & police) have closed ranks and left her with view options.

And given how many gender critical women have turned to the DM because our liberal media wont give them a voice, she has taken equivilent action.

If that boy was your son what would you do.

The idea that state sponsored organisation should just be meekly accepted is terrifyingly dangerous.

The problem is the school.

They should be reported to which ever education authority they are part of.

Or alternatively the UK could report Netanyahu to Prevent.

I think you ought to examine your own biases. There is not even a hint of manipulation in that report. There is evidence of intimidation by the police and the school.
Oh I overlooked his mother buying him a toy crossbow

Thank you I missed that. So perhaps as ever the headlines leave a lot out and much of the story isn’t known to the media anyway.

@CaptainOliviaBenson His mother is speaking to the press. His mother posted the videos.

@SamW98 The term "far right" was only used in the report by the writer. No quotation marks. There were apparently many other "accusations" not listed. We have very few facts, except that a child is being manipulated by his mother for reasons unknown. Good that it is being investigated for his protection.

How is he being manipulated? And manipulated into what, exactly?