David Lammy

If Angela Rayner were only ten times less intelligent than JKR she probably would be cowed by JKR because she would realise they're not playing in the same league.

But as it is, she's about twenty times less intelligent than JKR so she's not cowed by her because she doesn't realise they're not even playing the same game.

Whatever? Seriously. WTAF? 🙄

I'm talking about this board, where in the last two days we have had multiple threads about AR and DL. It is noticeable

Because they are both full on TRAs! Amazed that you need to have this spelled out to you.

She refuses to apologise for labelling LGB Alliance and Woman's Place UK 'hate groups'. Very unimpressed.

Oh and BTW plenty of people's opinions are wrong or based on demonstrably incorrect facts. Doesn't stop it being "an opinion"
Hilarious you'd spend all that time in pedantry to deflect from the point.

She didn't make a fair point. What she did was illustrate just how in thrall to trans ideology she is. She made that point loud and clear!

Whatever. It's not comparable with Starmer talking about his own career, which is what PP was trying to say.

Dawn Butler is also black and made a fair point to KB.

I'm not talking about politics. I'm talking about this board, where in the last two days we have had multiple threads about AR and DL. It is noticeable.

To be honest the fact it's meant to be a board for feminists but spends an inordinate amount of time castigating other women for "not feministing right" because they don't toe the FWR GC line has been apparent for a while.

Lammy talking about female biology is not in any way comparable, due to the fact he's a man and its an opinion.

You can't have opinions on biological fact.

He was wrong, he was factually incorrect.

Once again

"..it's probably the case that trans women don't have ovaries..." - wrong, factually incorrect, it's not probably, it's definite.

..but a cervix..is something that you can have following various procedures, hormones and all the rest of it..." - wrong, factually incorrect, transwomen, being male, cannot grow a womb or the neck of a womb.

His being a man is no excuse for ignorance of scientific biological facts. Unless you're saying all men are too stupid to learn such facts.

I really don't think I'd be going there about criticism based on race, given the treatment of Diane Abbott in parallel with the Labour response to her racism - which was to send her on a course about Jewish people but not about Travellers, or Irish people, then designate her as never capable of having been rehabilitated. As well as Dawn "babies are born without a sex" Butler and her handmaiden response to Kemi being told to shut up. Or not exist, ideally.

But I'm sure our regular poster will carry on regardless.

Maybe in respect of gender ideology.

In respect of cost of living, public services, economic growth etc we could have had it very much better too.

Russ Jones is doing a 14 year tory retrospective. This is from the first year of Camerons government. He assesses the impact of various policies and I can barely bring myself to read it.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1806331089926893615.html

Honestly. The false equivalences people pull out tickle me

Starmer has every right to talk about his career history as that's part of him and what he brings to the table.

Lammy talking about female biology is not in any way comparable, due to the fact he's a man and its an opinion.

Yes. It's worth watching the whole thing. She talks about spaces for biological women and answers the journalists question about where she will be cowed by JKR.

Burn The Witch for not saying the FWR line on trans.

Actually while I'm typing this, it is notable how much criticism is of the black man and the working class woman. God forbid they should get ideas above their station and actually be in power

I think another party will be better because the Tories are completely incompetent, can't do anything without changing leader, lie, break the law and are motivated by cronyism rather than public service.

Personally I like Labour but actually I'll take anyone who can GTFTO, with the exception of Reform Ltd because I don't want to live in a fascist dictatorship.

Pandering shitwits is my new favourite phrase.

I really am very bored of having to point out to those desperate to excuse Labour's idiocy on this matter that gender ideology is a global phenomenon. We could have had it far worse here under a different government, as many other countries currently do.

"pandering shitwits" 🤣

It's also worth noting that in the current shadow cabinet, David Lammy is one of the only ones with any experience in government at all. The vast majority of the rest of them were elected post 2010.

Aye and it'll get a lot worse with these pandering shitwits in charge.

To me that's a strong argument in favour of NOT electing people who are even more mental about this stuff.

😂

As arguments go, I'm not sure that "even the party which is LEAST in thrall to gender ideology erased the word "woman" from information about maternity care, allowed gender identity theory to be taught in schools as though it were fact and put male rapists in women's prisons!" is a strong one, to be honest.

To me that's a strong argument in favour of NOT electing people who are even more mental about this stuff.

I can forgive a woeful grasp of human biology more easily than I can forgive him for saying that women who need single sex spaces are "dinosaurs who hoard rights" but to my knowledge he has not retracted or apologised for either statement.

100% this.

Yes these idiots may be about to be in charge...worrying times indeed.

Does that go for the Tories who inflicted the trans shitshow on the UK?

I suspect if Labour would have been in government for the past decade we'd be now like Canada or NZ wrt trans issue, even worse if there'd be any LibDem or Greens involvement in government.

So women who are concerned that there will be front benchers in the next government who think that women's rights are men's rights, that men can grow a cervix and that any one who complains about men muscling in to women's single sex spaces are rights hoarding dinosaurs...are just desperate Tories?

Ok then. 🙄