Is it Jesus's fault?

After you have made you intentionally offensive remark, consider that it is a faith followed by billions and we are talking about the impact of that faith regardless of whether or not you believe it.

Difficult to comment on a probably fictional character. Who, even if he was an actual person, was most certainly not the progeny of a man in the sky.

Why is this in sex. gender talk?
If you want to discuss the golden rule surely philosophy is the better place.

How can we apply this to modern day issues_

It’s difficult, when the whole transgender thing began it was portrayed as a minuscule fraction of people with a genuine medical condition, not a well funded artificial social movement sweeping through schools.

Also turning the other cheek was actually a form of passive resistance. The first hit would be with the back of the hand, turning the cheek would mean they had to hit you with the palm that dishonoured them.
Also taking a burden 1 "Mile" was Roman law, but if you took it 2 the soldier could be disciplined as it was strictly forbidden.

Yes we don't understand "meek" properly.

Exactly.

I don’t follow?

the holy people in the wilderness following a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night, being how the oppressed view themselves

Not sure if I picked up this correctly. But they were in the wilderness after being freed from oppression (slavery). The wilderness was freedom not oppression.

I agree. All banks need to be shut down.

It wasn’t just that they were cheating people. It was that they were degrading a place of holiness dedicated to God. They were turning God and the temple, a place that was meant to be set aside for worship, into a means to obtain personal benefit - the worship of mammon.

Meekness referred to is more like the opposite of pride. Pride is worship of self. Meekness is more humility - recognising that successes are down to God not to oneself. You cannot be meek and support others in their pride.

Actually I'm completely retracting my view here. One word: antisemitism. It has to be more complicated.

What are you actually discussing here?
The OP is about meekness in the christian church, which, historically is 'let me exploit you now, and you will be rewarded later'. Now, we have consumerism which is we all get exploited now, and no one benefits later because the planet is on fire.
And all because our definition of later has shifted.

This 100%

And sometimes I think people forget how radical Jesus was at the time.

Paul was very in favour of women having a strong role in the church (and depended on their support during a lot of his travels). The few sentences about female obedience are much challenged by Pauline scholars - some of them are believed not to have been written by him at all, others to have been quotations from stuff he'd read, being set up to be knocked down. Paul is a fantastic character, well worth reading, and reading about (in Acts). He didn't do 'meek' if he could demand due legal process instead.

I agree with that vicar @JellySaurus.

Mary was given a choice and said yes. She then echoed Hannah's words regarding Samuel's birth - both women societally subversive in their acceptance of their part in God's plan.

Theologians point to the depiction of Eve, the first woman, as disobedient, leading Adam, representing man, astray.
In the New Testament, Mary is depicted as the new Eve, the new woman. She is obedient to God's commands. When told that she is to bear a baby who will be the son of God, she declares, 'I am the Lord's handmaiden'.
The Roman Catholic Church has portrayed Mary as the ideal woman ever since. Mary is obedient and a mother. The Church teaches that these qualities are to be adopted by female followers where possible.
This rebirth of women as good and obedient through Mary is an important feature of Christianity.
The depiction of the original Eve is interesting to feminist Christians.

Dominion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_(Holland_book)

I haven't read it, but listen to the Rest is History podcast and he always speaks very well of it. maiow

As a Christian myself I agree with this, and it works in more ways than one. First, concern for the oppressed, which can be very misplaced. Second, the holy people in the wilderness following a pillar of smoke by day and fire by night, being how the oppressed view themselves.

Plus some adapted Marxist theory of course.

No.

@Distractable or anyone else. Which Tom Holland books do you recommend? I just looked him up to get his book and there are a few. I do love history and sociology so will happily read a few! Well audiobook a few lol