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How common is it to have the idea of wishing you could change sex cross your mind at some stage

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opalsandcoffee · 28/06/2024 16:09

I just wonder how many of us female adults, particularly oldies, have had a stage in our lives when we wished we were physically male. (or the other way around)

I can remember distinctly have a stage when I desperately wished for a penis instead of a vagina - I don't know how long it lasted, maybe a few months? I think I was about 12 or 13.

The reasons were firstly, I didn't want periods, and secondly, I was afraid, from what I knew about sex. I understood it that women had to have the passive role and accept what was done to them by men, and I very much wanted to be the person who was going to be in control when I started having relationships. I also wanted to be the stronger sex in general

I just think this may actually be quite a common phase, and not really mean young people are trans.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 21/07/2024 11:43

At one point I wanted to know how it felt to have a penis.

Justwrong68 · 21/07/2024 11:41

chillidoritto · 21/07/2024 10:28

The ironic thing today though is that girls CAN play football, play with cars, are encouraged to do engineering degrees etc!

If a mum says her daughter refuses to wear a dress everyone will reassure her that it’s fine to let her wear joggers - which is good!

That why I don't get the trend in regressive sexual stereotypes. Non binary makes more sense but still contributes to compelled speech

Justwrong68 · 21/07/2024 11:20

SquirrelSoShiny · 28/06/2024 18:49

I definitely had a stage around 12 or 13 where I felt very unsettled and hated all the misogynistic crap I was starting to experience. By 14 I was much more at peace with things. I'm ND and bisexual and these seem to be common overlaps with gender dysphoria. Like most people I grew out of it, I'm just still not terribly 'girlie'.

This is a great summary

Justwrong68 · 21/07/2024 11:17

@Blimpton
Try testosterone as part of your HRT!

Justwrong68 · 21/07/2024 11:11

PurpleBugz · 28/06/2024 17:58

Yup I had a year or so with short hair desperately wishing I was a boy. It was because I wanted out of how I was treated as a girl. Also jealous of the freedoms male children my age had that I was denied due to being female.

Im also Bi and fancy women more than men. That confused me loads as a kid I never knew Bisexual was a thing I thought there was something wrong with me. Also once I was older and knew my sexuality was fine I still felt I didn't fit in because im autistic and that's a life sentence to feeling alien. It strikes horror into my heart to know if I was a child today I would absolutely be transitioning.

To be honest I still feel I wish I was male sometimes now. I have a disabled child and the father is never expected to care for him because he works. I had to give up working and that's just expected. I got sick once and ex had to have ds a whole week the poor man- the fucking praise he got from all the professionals involved with ds fucked me right off. Massive smack in the face that women are not valued for the things men are praised for.

That's so shocking! But I do always have to explain that I'm the worker to teachers who make assumptions

SaltPorridge · 21/07/2024 11:06

Grammarnut · 05/07/2024 18:04

When I was just a teenager I read a great many adventure stories. They all had heroes, not heroines, and any girls had a fairly passive role (not always, but often). One day I found myself wishing I was a boy so that I could have all these adventures. I did discover Violet Needham who has female protagonists and also Geoffrey Trease who often had strong girls as characters (The Hills of Varna is an example, as to an extent Thunder of Valmy). They helped a bit to resolve my unhappiness. I am so happy that it is now possible to read adventurous stories with girls having actual adventures and driving the plot.

The idea that female role models are increasingly more adventurous etc is not necessarily accurate. As you say Violet Needham and Geoffrey Trease had strong female leads.
I grew up reading Arthur Ransome books about children having adventures which featured girls as leaders doing exciting and heroic deeds. They were written in the 1930s. See also Malcolm Saville and Enid Blyton.
When it comes to adults, I don't know how I feel about female heroes or superheroes who can fight as well as men, because it's not realistic.
When I first heard about parents bringing their kids up "gender neutral " I thought we might see more girls out being active like playing football, riding bikes. In reality, by me roughly zero girls play out at all, or ride bikes to school. Boys run/ cycle around in groups from about age 8. So the gap between actual male and female strength maybe increasing.

Justwrong68 · 21/07/2024 10:45

I noticed at age 12, men didn't have to do any work around the house. Then I read the female Eunuch. Then came Brideshead Revisited and its aesthetic which I loved. I also fetishised women and as lesbianism wasn't even mentioned growing up, becoming a man seemed a very attractive option. I wore my dad's shirt and tie, some cricket trousers and brogues. The phase was so short lived, I don't even have photos. I read in woman's own in about 1985 about surgeons experimenting with the idea of making a penis for sex change women, out of grafted skin; but that just made me feel sick.

DiamondTriangle · 21/07/2024 10:31

When I was a teenager I longed to be a boy just for a day to see what it would feel like and to see how men think . Just curiosity not wanting a permanent change

StormingNorman · 21/07/2024 10:30

Never thought about it.

chillidoritto · 21/07/2024 10:28

The ironic thing today though is that girls CAN play football, play with cars, are encouraged to do engineering degrees etc!

If a mum says her daughter refuses to wear a dress everyone will reassure her that it’s fine to let her wear joggers - which is good!

RepresentMe · 21/07/2024 07:45

I guess it was the perceived unpleasantness of realising that WHAT I was, meant something beyond WHO I was.

I just thought being a male would have been so much easier and have given me more anonymity. I was never into particularly ‘girly’ things but not particularly ‘tomboyish’ either - childhood to me was a neutrality. To me being a girl now required effort and constant thinking and negotiation. I didn’t think I was a boy. But I did think I possibly would have been better as a boy.

Interestingly, I’ve come to realise that I’m neurodiverse in some way (won’t bore you with the details) My sense of difference - from ‘all the other girls’ - could possibly be down to this - a slight dissociation. Currently under investigation - jury is still out. But the number of ‘trans’ children who have a diagnosis of autism, BPD etc makes sense to me.

So if I had been a teenager now I might have embraced the ‘non-binary’ label. I don’t think I’d have had the audacity to try and make others feel the same and insist I be perceived by them as this ‘other’ status. I think thats the crucial difference. But now it’s all part of ‘celebrating’ who you are isn’t it. And that must be quite something to resist when everyone is cheerleading you and wanting to be part of a gang. I was totally aware that this fleeting desire to remove my breast(s) was a complete and utter unrealisable - and brutal - fantasy - it would have been a crazy and wrong thing to do. But hey look at us now - a whole generation of young females seeing this as a totally acceptable thing - an actual ‘solution’ FGS. Because they are being told and shown this as a solution. I might have found that totally intoxicating.

As I said, I’m glad I’m not a teenager now. And I’m glad my DD is proud of who she is and recognises that it’s the world that needs to change, not her.

HarrytheHobbit · 20/07/2024 22:56

I've often thought what it would be like to be a man. Funnily enough the things I would do first are all penis related, have a wee standing up on a beach and try to write my name in the sand, have a wank and have sex with a (real)woman. Oh and lift heavy things.

astarsheis · 20/07/2024 19:26

Never. I love being a woman and have never had any issues with my sexuality.

LetsTalkTwaddle · 20/07/2024 19:03

IwantToRetire · 20/07/2024 18:17

Im actually surprised I’m in the minority thinking this (on this MN thread).

I think the difference is that some of us (in a childish unthought out way ie me having trantrums) recognised we weren't allowed to do the same sort of things that boys were encouraged to do, and it was JUST NOT FAIR!!

But this didn't translate into thinking being a boy was the answer.

I just wanted it to be fair. And couldn't understand.

And I know many girls I was at school thought like me that our brothers were favourites because they got to do what they wanted. But in reality it was parental favouratism, but parents who had grown up and still believed in gender stereotypes.

Like @IwantToRetire my guess is that many of us who said we had briefly wished we were male-bodied were thinking of the day we were out with the school on a nature trail and the boys could go and have a wee up against a tree while the girls had to find somewhere 'safe' to whip off their underwear and crouch and hope the boys didn't creep up and trying seeing up their skirts. The unfairness of it all was a huge issue that led me to feminism.

@RepresentMe I'm sorry and horrified to think that anyone would think that it's natural and normal to hate your body to the extent of wanting to mutilate it. A few years ago that would have been considered a really serious MH issue. But this is where Gender Ideology has got us — the idea that it's perfectly normal to feel that way. It's like encouraging young women to absorb the patriarchy and unfairness and sexual predation and manifest in their scarred bodies.

RedRobyn2021 · 20/07/2024 18:42

I remember wanting to be a boy around the same age as you OP

S0livagant · 20/07/2024 18:41

I was looking up how to buy testosterone over the Internet at the start of adulthood, a few years later I was a mother. If I had been born 20 years later I'd likely have transitioned and it would have been a mistake.

S0livagant · 20/07/2024 18:39

Never wanted a penis. It was so easy though until the age of about 10 to just be a tomboy and do everything the boys did and not to need a crop top to cover the start of breasts, or to deal with periods a few years later. I wouldn't have wanted to be stuck in childhood but I didn't want a woman's body. I now present as a (mostly) masculine woman and I've come to accept my body but puberty was very difficult.

IwantToRetire · 20/07/2024 18:17

Im actually surprised I’m in the minority thinking this (on this MN thread).

I think the difference is that some of us (in a childish unthought out way ie me having trantrums) recognised we weren't allowed to do the same sort of things that boys were encouraged to do, and it was JUST NOT FAIR!!

But this didn't translate into thinking being a boy was the answer.

I just wanted it to be fair. And couldn't understand.

And I know many girls I was at school thought like me that our brothers were favourites because they got to do what they wanted. But in reality it was parental favouratism, but parents who had grown up and still believed in gender stereotypes.

RepresentMe · 20/07/2024 12:46

I wanted to be a boy from about the age of 12. I knew I couldn’t BE one.

But I was sad, frustrated as fuck and raging that I had been born a girl. I too had visions of excising at least one breast (Amazonian-style) so it didn’t get in the way of my playing the guitar. I hated that everyone saw me as a girl first before seeing me. I hated my breasts and wore sports tops and minimising bras in my teens. I wrote shit poetry about the injustices of being born a girl and how I wish I’d been born a boy. I knew I was viewed as a second-class citizen, I know no one believed me when I spoke about being into the music and not into the male band-members. I thought girls who screamed and swooned over boys were stupid and pathetic.

But I accepted that I WAS a girl and aligned myself with feminism and realised I had some internalised misogyny.

I do wonder how I would have got through my teens unscathed in this era. I could easily have bought/brought into the belief that I was actually a boy mistakenly decanted into the body of a girl.

Im actually surprised I’m in the minority thinking this (on this MN thread).

Lopine · 20/07/2024 10:33

I wanted to be a boy when I was a child, because I wanted to play football at school rather than crappy netball, and continue to run around shirtless without adults telling me to put a top on. I didn’t want to have the hassle of periods, and I preferred the company of boys - less bitchy. But I never felt in the wrong body. I just wanted the same freedoms that boys seemed to have.

As a teenager, I started to better understand sexism, patriarchy etc, but it set me on the journey to fighting for women’s rights rather than wanting to be a man.

OtterMouse · 20/07/2024 10:32

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Waitingfordoggo · 20/07/2024 10:31

I went through a phase of really wanting a penis when I was 8-10ish. No idea why I wanted one but I really did. If someone had introduced me to the idea of packers at the time perhaps I’d have wanted one. I don’t think I was dysphoric about my actual body, it was probably just curiosity about penises.

When I went through pregnancy and childbirth I felt really lucky to be able to have that experience. I know many women don’t enjoy pregnancy and birth, and not all women are able to (or want to) do those things, but it honestly felt like a privilege to me that I got to experience it. I felt sad for my husband that he didn’t get to grow our baby 😂

Crocdiamond · 20/07/2024 10:30

Never! I’ve sometimes/often wished that male norms applied to women eg. Wearing same suit, no make up, no hair removal, flat shoes etc. but as I’ve got older I’ve just done what I like in terms of these.
I have quite an androgynous body type anyway and have always been relieved to have small boobs so they don’t interfere with sports etc. so maybe I’m just lucky I have a body that suits me. I think I’d struggle with big boobs and curves but I still wouldn’t want to be a man.

Helloworld56 · 20/07/2024 10:29

I've never felt like that.

FrancescaContini · 20/07/2024 10:28

Never have I ever wanted to be a man. Ever.