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Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?

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WishingOnACar · 27/06/2024 20:46

It’s close in this seat between Greens and Labour.

Green canvasser (male) came to the door this evening so I asked what the local candidate’s position is on single sex spaces. He immediately launched into a monologue about trans rights, talking about trans suicide rates as they are such a marginalised group, and that the issue of single sex spaces and trans rights has become toxic and everyone needs to be kinder about it. He doesn’t feel comfortable talking to me about it, because he’s a man. I pointed out that he’s there representing the views of Carla Denyer, not himself!

Anyway, he’s basically talked himself out of a Green vote from me, which is something that I had been considering. Interesting how he immediately mentioned trans rights when I had simply asked about single sex spaces - it’s clearly not something that Carla will be supporting, so that’s me out.

I’m toying with voting Labour, but increasingly think I might vote for KJK and POW party, just so my GC voice is counted.

Is that pointless?

I’m an NHS worker in a field where GC views would probably get me fired, so this feels like the only way I can have my (anonymous!) voice heard!

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Pourquoise · 28/06/2024 18:17

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 17:05

That's right, Just like Farage she said it was a set up.

Kellie-Jay Keen post Melbourne rally conspiracy theories

posie parkerlet women speak#letwomenspeak standing for women

https://youtu.be/GtL2hFsupTk

DrSpartacular · 28/06/2024 18:02

Who is this Noone?

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 17:56

Pathetic

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 17:05

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 16:44

CassieMaddox · Today 12:24

Her line is the same as yours - she can't help it if they come to all her events, noone knows why blah blah

Love your jacket! Although the sleeves seem much too long.

Confused Have literally no clue what you are on about

Anyway here are KJK and Farage using the same kinds tactics when caught out.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/03/20/kellie-jay-keen-anti-trans-neo-nazis-protest-melbourne/

www.itv.com/watch/news/nigel-farage-tells-loose-women-offensive-comments-caught-on-camera-were-a-set-up/h14j7hv

Anti-trans rally speakers are falsely claiming neo-Nazi supporters were undercover police, trans activists

Anti-trans activist Kellie-Jay Keen sipped champagne as she told an online broadcast that the neo-Nazis' presence 'felt really off'.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/03/20/kellie-jay-keen-anti-trans-neo-nazis-protest-melbourne

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 16:44

CassieMaddox · Today 12:24

Her line is the same as yours - she can't help it if they come to all her events, noone knows why blah blah

Love your jacket! Although the sleeves seem much too long.

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 16:43

Hepwo · Today 12:06

Brick wall comes to mind

Yes, indeed. "Pah! You won't convince me with stupid facts, figures and evidence! I have a POSITION and I'm not budging!"

artant · 28/06/2024 15:43

The betting odds suggest that Denyer is set to win in Bristol Central. If I lived there (which I did once but decades ago), I’d definitely vote for Debbonaire.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 14:46

Ah OK, so Aja and LWS are associated with PoW then? I'm sure on previous threads we were told that there was no association and what Aja does in her spare time is irrelevant.

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 14:28

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 12:33

I think the fact JKR is not supporting or amplifying POW in any way speaks volumes about how good an option POW is for women and girls

JKRowling supporting and amplifying Aja and Let Women Speak

Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?
BackToLurk · 28/06/2024 13:33

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 12:24

Her line is the same as yours - she can't help it if they come to all her events, noone knows why blah blah

Meanwhile she continues to be close to the stewards who went on the TR march.

Most political leaders would cut ties with people who behaved like that. Even Farage has been forced into it in Clacton.

Anyway, people can do what they like. I'm just correcting the worst hogwash (I.e. there is no evidence she is sympathetic to the far right).

Let's not do a whole nother thread of why I'm wrong and you are right (or vice versa). We can just agree to disagree.

Ah. What political leaders do. Cool topic. The Labour Party has a deputy leader who tells us that ‘transgender women’s rights are women’s rights’. Maybe Kier should cut his ties with her.

Sausagenbacon · 28/06/2024 13:19

Surprisingly enough, I don't give a damn what JKR thinks. She's only one voice among many people who have spoken in support of women. The media only has a narrow bandwidth so focus on her exclusively .
Which is a shame.
Kjk is a brave woman. She's also annoying - I find her videos irritating . But I admire her and believe she deserves my support.

VitaSays · 28/06/2024 12:58

You can think what you like, Cassie. I doubt from what she's said about Labour that JKR (a former Labour donor) will think that POW is a worse option than Labour.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 12:33

I think the fact JKR is not supporting or amplifying POW in any way speaks volumes about how good an option POW is for women and girls

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 12:24

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 11:56

CassieMaddox · Today 11:46

Anyway blah. She brings it on herself by not calling them out

She has and does call them out. You really ought to know that, her statements on the subject have been posted on Mumsnet on numerous occasions.

Her line is the same as yours - she can't help it if they come to all her events, noone knows why blah blah

Meanwhile she continues to be close to the stewards who went on the TR march.

Most political leaders would cut ties with people who behaved like that. Even Farage has been forced into it in Clacton.

Anyway, people can do what they like. I'm just correcting the worst hogwash (I.e. there is no evidence she is sympathetic to the far right).

Let's not do a whole nother thread of why I'm wrong and you are right (or vice versa). We can just agree to disagree.

Chariothorses · 28/06/2024 12:22

@WishingOnACar
Yes I think it matters - it's scary when you see the rape/ death threats women get for not pretending men are women, also some employers target women for punishment too if they won't lie about this. And then MPs say it's both sides!!
So I just look at canvasers blankly and say I don't know.

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 12:06

Brick wall comes to mind @SinnerBoy

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 11:56

CassieMaddox · Today 11:46

Anyway blah. She brings it on herself by not calling them out

She has and does call them out. You really ought to know that, her statements on the subject have been posted on Mumsnet on numerous occasions.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:55

🤣👍

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 11:53

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:46

Well she didn't tell them to eff off and they seemed to have a prime location, even preventing KJK accessing her own equipment.

If not invited, her stewards were doing a rubbish job.

Anyway blah. She brings it on herself by not calling them out

Nobody knew who they were.

The large crowd around her formed almost instantly without any management by anyone.

You really do make a fool of yourself over and over here. I feel a bit sorry for you. I'm sure a lot of us do by now.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:52

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 11:38

CassieMaddox · Today 11:27

It doesn't look "patently untrue" to me.

Well, I'm afraid I can't help you.

It looks like a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, supported by lots of circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence isn't unequivocal evidence, though is it? If Nazis turn up and crash her event, unprevented by Police and she later says that she doesn't support them and doesn't want them attending, (she has, people have posted the statements) then how can you possibly, logically claim that it's a reasonable hypothesis?

I can only conclude that you have an agenda here and aren't posting in good faith.

None of the evidence supports the dishonest claims that she's on the far right, or involved with them. None at all.

Fair enough if you don't like her, but it's wrong to ascribe things to her, which she doesn't stand for.

Of course. I disagree with you, so it must be a "bad faith agenda" as opposed to a different interpretation of the facts #sarcasm.

All I'd say to anyone considering supporting PoW and KJK is go and read up on this stuff and watch some of her own videos, look at her own twitter. You don't have to go far at all to realise why people have concerns.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:49

User2460177 · 28/06/2024 11:38

all of those are attempts at guilt by association. TRAs have much worse guilt by association than women so I wouldn’t bother.

and all of these accusations are nonsense anyway- eg Aja marching in a rally against two tier policing (given how she has experienced it in practice at LWS) is not “far right” or “trumpian”. It’s her excercising her right to freedom of speech. And yes, people claiming to be right wing have turned up at KJK events but so do noisy misogynist TRAs. She isn’t responsible for either of them nor is the fact they turn up indicative that she supports their views

Hmm Do you think the same about the TRA counter protesters? Or Gaza protesters?

People tend to assume that people march for causes they believe in. Tommy Robinson is a far right misogynistic thug. She has the right to choose to "exercise her free speech" by marching at one of his events; I have the right to draw my own conclusions from that and voice them.

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:46

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 11:36

You are definitely making up "the front row as if they were special guests".

Well she didn't tell them to eff off and they seemed to have a prime location, even preventing KJK accessing her own equipment.

If not invited, her stewards were doing a rubbish job.

Anyway blah. She brings it on herself by not calling them out

The 'Hearts of Oak stream' - The Facts

This is not intended as an answer to the entire conversation going on around this general point. I put it together in the hope that some decent information a...

https://youtu.be/1eUXHb8qM5U?si=u7AkCAV8oScBta0q

User2460177 · 28/06/2024 11:38

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 08:28

😂
Apart from
-two of her trusted stewards marching with the far right
-Far right people live streaming her events from the front row

  • Far right people turning up at her events
  • her taking money from organisations with a lot of Far right members
  • her "nominating officer" being a crazy right wing trump supporter

Yes, nothing to see here Hmm

Vote for who you like but at least admit you don't care how right wing she is, rather than ignoring what is slapping you in the face

all of those are attempts at guilt by association. TRAs have much worse guilt by association than women so I wouldn’t bother.

and all of these accusations are nonsense anyway- eg Aja marching in a rally against two tier policing (given how she has experienced it in practice at LWS) is not “far right” or “trumpian”. It’s her excercising her right to freedom of speech. And yes, people claiming to be right wing have turned up at KJK events but so do noisy misogynist TRAs. She isn’t responsible for either of them nor is the fact they turn up indicative that she supports their views

SinnerBoy · 28/06/2024 11:38

CassieMaddox · Today 11:27

It doesn't look "patently untrue" to me.

Well, I'm afraid I can't help you.

It looks like a perfectly reasonable hypothesis, supported by lots of circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence isn't unequivocal evidence, though is it? If Nazis turn up and crash her event, unprevented by Police and she later says that she doesn't support them and doesn't want them attending, (she has, people have posted the statements) then how can you possibly, logically claim that it's a reasonable hypothesis?

I can only conclude that you have an agenda here and aren't posting in good faith.

None of the evidence supports the dishonest claims that she's on the far right, or involved with them. None at all.

Fair enough if you don't like her, but it's wrong to ascribe things to her, which she doesn't stand for.

Hepwo · 28/06/2024 11:36

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 11:04

Not from the front row as if they were special guests 😂
I'm pretty sure she'd kick them out.

Anyway, we can have different opinions. It was this I was respinding to: I'm so bored with posters immediately trotting out the supposed connections between KJK and the far right. With no proof.

People aren't just making stuff up, is my point

You are definitely making up "the front row as if they were special guests".