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Anyone in Bristol Central voting for POW?

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WishingOnACar · 27/06/2024 20:46

It’s close in this seat between Greens and Labour.

Green canvasser (male) came to the door this evening so I asked what the local candidate’s position is on single sex spaces. He immediately launched into a monologue about trans rights, talking about trans suicide rates as they are such a marginalised group, and that the issue of single sex spaces and trans rights has become toxic and everyone needs to be kinder about it. He doesn’t feel comfortable talking to me about it, because he’s a man. I pointed out that he’s there representing the views of Carla Denyer, not himself!

Anyway, he’s basically talked himself out of a Green vote from me, which is something that I had been considering. Interesting how he immediately mentioned trans rights when I had simply asked about single sex spaces - it’s clearly not something that Carla will be supporting, so that’s me out.

I’m toying with voting Labour, but increasingly think I might vote for KJK and POW party, just so my GC voice is counted.

Is that pointless?

I’m an NHS worker in a field where GC views would probably get me fired, so this feels like the only way I can have my (anonymous!) voice heard!

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RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 05/07/2024 16:10

It’s amazing isn’t it, one minute we’re crusty old frumps that everyone ignores just like the racist old aunt at Christmas, the next we’re so influential among teenagers we’re responsible for a rise in knife crime.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/07/2024 15:45

Some kids, I think. Horrifying example of the knife crime that's rife among teens, and zero to do with whether women believe males can be women.

WickedSerious · 05/07/2024 15:42

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 23:51

'Some Blokes Stabbed Another Bloke' .

Sausagenbacon · 05/07/2024 15:37

Yes, she's an ordinary woman who's got 5he balls to stand for an important issue that the likes of TD and CD have no interest in.
What a shame that she didn't get someone better to do it eh?
I hate the way posters are so keen to pull her down.

Drandthemedics · 05/07/2024 13:33

It turns out that kjk is not a good politician and so the POW is sadly doomed. She picked the wrong constituency to stand and the tactics she used didn’t work (as she didn’t get any publicity and the big names like Carla Denyer and Thangam were not forced to speak about The Issue). Such a pity, it could have been great

Sausagenbacon · 04/07/2024 16:23

Kjk was limited by the fact that, apart from the opening and closing speeches, they answered questions, none of which were on gender issues (the problem of being a single issue candidate) but she did well to bring her perspective to it.

Sausagenbacon · 04/07/2024 16:21

Kjk attacked all parties. And spoke well.
I thought the seating order was interesting- left to right..Greens, Labour, Tory, reform , POW and lib dem.
The compere sat between the Tory and reform.
So thangham and Carla could 'not hear' kjk.
It's funny that thangham gave a good speech on gaza (imo) which will lose her votes here, but it emphasises with absolute clarity how little interest she has in gender issues (because OBVIOUSLY she can't speak about that)
Thank God for kjk

Turboislander · 04/07/2024 09:01

Drandthemedics · 04/07/2024 06:55

So I gather from the responses kjk stood in Bristol to highlight the Green party’s barking stance on trans and to encourage Thangham to speak up. Did this happen?

It certainly didn't happen at the hustings. In her closing speach KJK highlighted that the Greens had been involved in several accusations of bullying and also criticised Labour and the Lib Dems for their policies. Only the Lib Dem addressed her points on this. I can't remember the order in which they gave their closing speeches (think Carla went first, whereas the Lib Dem definitely came after KJK) so perhaps there was no oppurtunity for them to respond but I guess they could have done so outside of the hustings if they really wanted.

Drandthemedics · 04/07/2024 06:55

So I gather from the responses kjk stood in Bristol to highlight the Green party’s barking stance on trans and to encourage Thangham to speak up. Did this happen?

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 23:51

"And then MPs say it's both sides!!"

News from today

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24428924.stockton-transgender-woman-stabbed-three-boys-arrested/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2024 09:45

I thought Thangham came across well.

Turboislander · 02/07/2024 09:12

KJK said in her opening statement that one of the reasons she was there was to encourage Thangham to speak up for women because she has been completely silent on the issue. Was a bit disappointed that she didn't mention the Greens at this point (although she did in her closing statement).

I'm going to vote for Thangham because I really don't want the Greens to get in.

borntobequiet · 02/07/2024 08:09

Well it is both sides, ever seen kiwifarms?

Most people don’t know it even exists. You live in a parallel online universe that touches very few people’s lives, and you don’t understand that your reality and much of your language isn’t theirs.

In the ordinary world, people understand that women are adult human females, men can’t become women, children should be protected from corruptive ideology and Troon is a town in Scotland.

SinnerBoy · 02/07/2024 07:28

CassieMaddox · 28/06/2024 17:05

Have literally no clue ...

Yes, some of us have noticed.

maltravers · 02/07/2024 05:00

Yes, my assumption may be wrong. Who knows! TD seems all right and better than the Greens in their current state of madness…if I were a Bristol voter (I’m not), I would vote for TD and to keep out Denyer, having seen the malign influence of the Scottish Greens.

Drandthemedics · 02/07/2024 04:50

Thanks @maltravers if this were the reason wouldn’t it have become obvious by now? I don’t think it has been raised by kjk very often? Did she raise it in the televised debate? (I missed it)

AlisonDonut · 02/07/2024 03:25

A...I thought users of Kiwi farms were all evil Nazis so admitting you use Kiwi farms makes you a Nazi by your own calculations?

B...doesn't Kiwi farms just repeat what other people say....thus proving #OperationLetThemSpeak is working?

Christinapple · 02/07/2024 02:43

Chariothorses · 28/06/2024 12:22

@WishingOnACar
Yes I think it matters - it's scary when you see the rape/ death threats women get for not pretending men are women, also some employers target women for punishment too if they won't lie about this. And then MPs say it's both sides!!
So I just look at canvasers blankly and say I don't know.

Well it is both sides, ever seen kiwifarms?

I've been using examples form kiwifarms when showing my candidates how problematic online homophobia and transphobia are and asking them about it. They are all in agreement it's hateful and very vile.

maltravers · 02/07/2024 00:25

I had assumed the point of KJK standing in Bristol was to bring the Greens’ barking gender identity views into full sunlight for your ordinary Bristolian voter.

Drandthemedics · 01/07/2024 23:11

Does anyone know why kjk chose to run in Bristol? What was the strategy behind this?

Pourquoise · 01/07/2024 20:52

Was not impressed by KJK ducking the Gaza question. Anyone looking at her twitter knows her thoughts.

Absolutely, she isn't backwards about coming forward with her pro-Israel opinions on twitter and youtube. I don't understand why she passed on this question.

CassieMaddox · 01/07/2024 20:47

Anyone watch the hustings? I just did. Very good fun. The reform guy was a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Lib Dem dude was funny, probably my favourite.
Was not impressed by KJK ducking the Gaza question. Anyone looking at her twitter knows her thoughts. Also quite deafening silence for her and Reform guy.

Thangam was very feisty. I thought she did well. Will be interested to see the results.

ForForToo · 28/06/2024 18:31

I’m voting POW(not in Bristol). I’m not voting for KJK specifically. I’m voting for my POW candidate, as she is sensible and rational and prioritises safeguarding children and sex-based rights for women over men’s ‘feelings’.

Fuck Labour for ignoring me for the last 5 years on this issue. Why should I vote for them? Rayner & Starmer make me sick, and I’ve voted Labour all my life, but they can do one this time. I’m done.

IwantToRetire · 28/06/2024 18:27

Have already posted this on the other thread about Bristol Central.

From someone who lives there.

The Women's Voice Hustings in Bristol which happened last night.

Thangam Debonnaire and Karla Denyer failed to show.

They also didn't bother to appear at the Deaf and Disabled People's Hustings last week.

KJK appeared, and was banned from speaking. When she attempted to hand out excellent Party of Women leaflets she was accused of handing out fascist propaganda by one woman and there was a sudden rule made in the hall that leaflets could not be distributed.

Note: these are the official Party of Women leaflets distributed by the candidates.

Free speech and feminist principles have disappeared from Bristol, home of Greens and Labour.

IwantToRetire · 28/06/2024 18:26

Talk about deja vu - start in the evening to catch up on threads.

See one has been really busy. Think I wonder what has been said.

And guess, what not just the usual suspects rolling to the same old, same old, but other responding.

What a shame that it is now virtually impossible to have thread that doesn't always get bogged down.

Wouldn't it just be nice if say in this intstance, those in this part of Bristol could have had a honest discussion, exchange of views without someone presuming they could come and lecture them.

How many posts have actully been about the situation in Bristol and the candidates.