Sheffield Party Of Women candidate threatened with arrest for leaflets

I am not policing anything.

I am just pointing out how rude and inconsiderate it is that some posters think they can gate crash any thread with zero interest in the actual topic to just drone on with the same posts they make on any thread.

However, as it is always the usual suspects it is easy to whizz through a thread.

It just displays staggering arrogance to not deal with the substance of the OP but presume that their interests should be the topic.

Its like those awful social situations where a group of people are talking and listening to each other, and then (usually some man) turns up and joins in, and whatever anybody says they then start droning on about their hobby or whatever.

Yes, agreed. Setting up a livestream twitter, phoning the police, demanding they speak to you right now when they say they are too busy to talk and then accusing them of electoral interference, while livestreaming it on your twitter isn't that though is it.

Well, I can see where you are coming from (although I think actually you missed my point, but never mind).
I don't think transition is as black and white as smacking. I think a non-medical, accepting approach to a gender questioning child (I.e. maybe supporting social transition) could be helpful to some children, especially ones that are very oppositional.

I think part of the problem we have is the research isn't there to show if social transition is harmful.

So I think saying that social transition is "profound abuse" is stretching the narrative somewhat.

One cannot reduce a topic like transgenderism down to a one sentence "transitioning children is profound abuse".

Does it mean 4 year olds? Or 17 year olds?

Does it mean medical transition, or using preferred pronouns?

Does it only refer to medical professionals or does it refer to everyone who engages with a "trans child" in their preferred identity?

I'm sorry, but I don't think a parent choosing to support their non-binary daughter by calling them xie/xir (or whatever) is "profound abuse".

If the police didn't want a reputation for bullying women and abusing legal process in the service of misogynists... maybe they could have just yanno, not done that?

It does , however, explain why any GC women who faces an accusation might think it prudent to make sure she is recording or ideally live-streaming as much of the contact with the police as she is able to. Because if it is harrassment, or even just overrreach, you want as much evidence as you can.

I will be interested to see how this shakes out. PC Rainbow's reach has apparently exceeded their grasp.

KJK remains a legend. She hasn't said anything and yet her you are going on like an Ariston about her. Again

From the Royal mail website re election material

You have missed my point. Just like hitting children was always child abuse, no exceptions, transitioning children is always child abuse, no exceptions. The parents may not intent it to be abuse, in fact I very much assume they don't, but ultimately this is what it is.

Some things can be both-sidesed, a-bit-of-this-a-bit-of-thatted. This is not one of them.

Children are not born in the wrong body. They cannot have the wrong persoanlity for their sex. They are not broken. Making them believe they are hated and will probably kill themselves someday unless they can force everyone to say they are the other sex is just utterly abhorrent.

Why the hell all this energy is going into making children believe they need to change themselves to fit society's sexism and not fixing the damn sexism I will never ever understand, but it breaks my heart.

Just been reading up on this and there is no such thing as "approved legal election leaflets".
There's some guidance on how to engage with campaign material here:
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/campaigning-your-vote/engaging-campaign-material-elections

It is up to you to decide whether you are persuaded by campaign material you see or hear. We encourage you to carefully consider any campaign material you see or hear. This may include thinking about the possibility that the material has been artificially enhanced or created.
You can ask yourself some questions about campaign material and the claims made in it:

1. Does the campaign material reinforce or contradict your views on a certain subject?
2. Do you think it pays attention to the detail, or does it overly simplify complex issues?
3. Does the campaign material you’ve seen or heard give you a good sense of a party’s or campaigner’s policy position?

Agreed, @IwantToRetire take it to @MNHQ if you have a problem with a post.

This thread policing of yours is getting a bit dull. I'm as entitled to post on this thread as anyone. It's a discussion board That means people...discuss things?

I haven't called anyone a fascist apart from Tommy Robinson and maybe Nigel Farage.

What I've said is, if people do far right things and say far right things they can't be surprised if people think they are far right.

Where have I accused them of crimes please?
Saying I find some of what they do distasteful is not the same as "accusing them of crimes".

Is this a fight?
I don't know what has happened that people don't notice they have sailed past a line and think it's fine because its the Internet and their gang is cheering them on.
I'm sorry all I can say is right back at you. Calling people fascists because you disagree etc is way past my line as is supporting abusive men just because they claim to be women.

Also investigating crimes is not "harassment". It's their job. "Dropping charges" isn't a sign that they did their job badly. Often it's a sign they did it properly.

Some GC women have been treated badly but that doesn't mean every time a GC woman is involved with the police it's "harassment". Some GC women will be criminals, just like all other types of human being.

Yet here you are time and again accusing POW of crimes.

OK. Well I don't want to get into a fight but I don't think its ever acceptable to call people criminals without any evidence.

I don't know what has happened that people don't notice they have sailed past a line and think it's fine because its the Internet and their gang is cheering them on. See also Maya Forstater and the doctor thing.

And your example of hitting children is probably a good one. We didn't get to a position where smacking is unacceptable by political parties posting leaflets saying "smacking children is profound abuse".
Shaming parents doesn't work.

I feel like I've said this before but anyway. In my opinion making blanket statements about "transitioning children is profound abuse" is inappropriate as it opens the door to people randomly calling the parents of trans children "child abusers". Which is extremely hurtful to those parents and a massive oversimplification of what can be quite a complex issue.

I have no idea what the "malicious communication" is about, no-one does as its only being publicised by PoW followers. But other political parties are not making those kinds of blanket statements.

Calling out actual concrete examples of child abuse, fine. Tarring everyone involved with trans children with the same brush of committing "profound abuse", not fine.

This is my problem. You bend over backwards to find a way to condemn POW without any evidence but take for granted the police are doing their job.
Are you really unaware of all the cases where the police have harassed women only to drop the charges after months. Just for having an opinion they are entitled to just like you. Do you really not know about what has been going on?

They are both politicians standing for election?

It is not malicious communication to cause someone distress because they disagree with you on a topic of personal interest. Should Labour not say they will tax private schools or claim private school pupils are privileged, in case a parent found it distressing after their child was bullied out of the local state school? Should the SNP not say Scotland would be better independent, in case the family of a veteran who died fighting for the UK got upset? Or Alba that the SNP caused unnecessary deaths in Covid, in case they handed the leaflet to someone who organised the transfer of Covid-carrying elderly patients to care homes?

No debate has passed.

Here's another fun fact about Kelly-Jay Keen aka Posie Parker, founder of the Party of Women whom Louise McDonald is currently a candidate for.

KJK told me she is a kiwifarms user, from a couple of brief emails we exchanged.

Think about that for a moment.

@Christinapple

Well, I've thought about it for a moment and she's still going to get my membership money next month.

It's PC PR, the designer policeman, blowing out a smokescreen with his multicoloured truncheon. Shake a few bad apples off the long arm of the law, but we know and they know, that it's rotten to the core

So calling out abuse is something that should not be said now is it?

When I was a kid, loving parents often hit their children. As this came to be recognised as abuse many were angry and defensive. They loved their kids. They were doing what they thought was right, for the best.

It was still abuse though, and that needed to be said.