Sheffield Party Of Women candidate threatened with arrest for leaflets

All that means is someone reported them. I could report your posts and then you'd be under police investigation

I don't know about that, but I can confirm her tweets are.

I'm not a sensitive person generally but that link needed a warning!

No, the police officers actions are under investigation.

Perhaps this police constable acted on his own initiative and didn’t clear his actions with higher ups 🤔 which, if he did, was foolish because any hint of potential police interference with elections is not a good look. Particularly given the multiple negative news stories in recent years about police forces and their behaviour towards women.

If this policeman exceeded his remit on this issue I would expect some sort of public apology is owed to POW.

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1807496325015179511

I'm reporting this entire section of Mumsnet to the boss to ask for it to be changed to reflect its actual content

F&WR&WNU*

(wossname's new username)

“Give me a child until seven and I will show you the man” is a saying variously attributed to Aristotle and St Ignatius Loyola, and is generally considered to have some truth. This is why I think socially transitioning very young children is active abuse.
Lying to and emotionally manipulating older children is surely abusive, and confirming them in unfounded and impossible beliefs is borderline abusive. Of course they will probably present as they wish, but their beliefs shouldn’t be confirmed, just as you would not confirm the irrational belief of an anorexic child (there are very strong parallels between this and gender confusion/sex rejection in young women).
Apologies for the continuing derail.

Her "tr--n" tweets and similar have been seen by police and recorded under investigation, which is ongoing.

A 17 year old is socially transitioning themselves.

Nobody socially transitions themselves. It is impossible.

Silly me - I thought this thread was at the top of the list because there might be some news about the POW candidate in Sheffield 🤦‍♀️

‘Popping on a dress’

Go for it. It doesn’t need to mean other children should have to go along with the false idea sex has changed

Leave out pronouns and access to female spaces and do as you wish with that skirt or dress.

A 17 year old is socially transitioning themselves.
I can't be arsed to argue about it but if you think a 17 year old popping on a dress and demanding to be called Skyw is "profound abuse" I suggest you read some other kinds of child abuse cases.

Maybe this one
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-68094466.amp

Agree.

Fine if it’s break out of stereotypes and wear and do what you want

Not this Orwellian lie about what dc can see and know

Socially transitioning children IS profound abuse. It is gaslighting other children; telling them something is not what they can see with their own eyes. It is demanding they lie; lie to other children, lie to teachers, lie to their parents, lie to their siblings. It is demanding they ignore their boundaries and their safeguarding. It is telling them they must believe something that is clearly untrue (that people can chose their sex). It is telling them that boys and girls are defined by regressive stereotypes.

If you read the whole thread you will see I asked about the ages of the "profound abuse" and PP confirmed they thought it applied to all people under 18 socially transitioning.

Another PP then said "social transition leads to medical transition" about my example of the 17 year oldboy socially transitioning.

The research talks about children who socially transition before adolescence. That is not applicable to the scenario I was describing.

It is quite a neat illustration of why i think "transitioning children is profound abuse" is a ridiculous statement though. It forces people to cling to an extreme black and white position

Did you read that article?

Childhood social transitions (name changes and presenting as the opposite sex using hairstyles and dress) were also shown to be important predictors for persistence of gender dysphoria into adolescence, especially for boys (see Figure 2). The reasons for this are currently unknown. The independent role and impact that social transitions play on persistence has never been studied. It may be that social transitions make it easier to persist in their new gender identity or conversely it may make it more difficult psychologically for the gender dysphoria to resolve and for children to desist. Long term studies are urgently needed in this area.

@CassieMaddox

This isn't about "womens sex based rights" at this point. This is about socially conservative, judgemental and authoritative approaches to parenting.

That is your opinion.

I agree it's not about "womens sex based rights". But that jump to " socially conservative, judgemental and authoritative approaches to parenting"? - that's a jump you made. Your head went there. No one else.

What it's really about is people who want children to believe that they are somehow broken because they don't fit into sexist ideas about what personality belongs in which body, to believe that everyone who doesn't agree they are broken and need to be fixed must hate them and wants them dead or "not to exist". Maybe you genuinely do think that's a great thing for children to be lead to believe, and that anyone who doesn't cheerlead it is "socially conservative, judgemental and authoritative", but honestly that's a pretty bad look.

And by the way, the person who made the jump from "abuse" to "accusing parents of abuse" is you. You've yet again set up a strawman to argue against because it's easier for you than what people are actually saying. Some parents of trans kids, the ones who cheerlead them, who tie their own identity up with being the parent of a trans child, are emotionally abusing their children because of their own beliefs and for their own needs. Many are desperately trying to tread the line between protecting their child from physical or mental harm, and driving them away into the arms of the people who are pushing these things.

JanesLittleGirl · Yesterday 23:06

To summarise Cassie's position:

If POW or KJK did it then it is probably against the law. And if isn't against the law then it should be. Whatever it was that they did. I hate them and there should be laws to prevent them. So there.

That made me laugh, but it's entirely accurate!

No one has ever, to my knowledge, sent a young person with anorexia to slimming world, or other fat club. To my mind the two things are very similar, anorexia is a body dysmorphic illness, I would suggest that to be trans is the same, to socially endorse either view is harmful.

I'd say "nicely made up".

In over 80% of cases teenagers without medical intervention desist.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/children-change-minds/

What helps teenage mental health is to have parents they can talk to, that are proud of them and supportive, while setting good boundaries.

I think its ridiculously arrogant to label parents like David Tennant, Emma Bunton etc as "abusers" because you've decided you know best about their family circumstances.

This isn't about "womens sex based rights" at this point. This is about socially conservative, judgemental and authoritative approaches to parenting.

Nicely summed up.

You know full well what social transition leads to.

I was talking about social transition. Saying to your 17 year old son "it's up to you if you want to wear a dress and call yourself Skye" is nothing like giving him a lobotomy. And in my opinion it's also nothing like "profound abuse".