Sheffield Party Of Women candidate threatened with arrest for leaflets

The leaflet. The leaflet. What was wrong with the leaflet??

Cis isn’t a slur imo. It can be used in a sneering contemptuous way and then it is used as an insult, but it’s not a slur otherwise. It’s a word used to describe a made up concept to give legitimacy to a made up ideology. It’s offensive as it makes women a sub group if their own sex class. The ideas that underpin it are harmful to women. But I don’t see it as a slur. I do see it as an offensive term in a harmful ideology but I don’t see it as a slur within the terms of that ideology, no.

Perhaps this comes down to how you define ‘slur’.

I was deleted, because I mentioned AGP. I'll try again.

Many women (loads I personally know), think that most transwomen are AGP. Not a generalisation, HQ, a specific personal observation.

See Debbie Hayton who advocates for AGP men to use women's toilets.

They do not see this as something to respect. They see it as the fetishisation of women's oppression, and sexist in the extreme.

It's no good asking these women to respect men, or the terms they want us to use for them.

A good comparison for "cisgender" would be "godless". It's unlikely to be formally defined as a slur but a person would be very naive not to realise it is used that way by certain social groups, some of whom have significant political power, to discredit and dismiss people and groups who do not share their beliefs.

you can try and academise your use of "cis" until the cows come home. It isn't academic, it is a made up term to try to make your trans arguments seem as though they have some substance.

Cis is a slur and that is it. You can stop trying to convince anyone because we are not having it.

Who is disagreeing that "troon" is a slur? some people on here i guess, and others in the wider world. I don't happen to agree but there it is.

Cis is a slur. And all attempts by you and anyone else to make it seem legit is pathetically hilarious.

I'm confused. When I Google the word troon it tells me it is a town in Ayrshire. I'm not aware of any other usage.

Christinapple a question for you, please?

You have been told that using the slur cis is considered offensive by many on these boards. Would you please stop using it in discourse on FWR, please. Thank you.

Cis might not be in any dictionary as a slur word. Neither are She, Him, Miss, Madam or Sir etc

Call a trans woman Sir or refer to a trans man as her and you will find those words being treated as a slur

So why cant the word Cis be considered a slur when referring to a man or woman.

This thread is mad. I am voting entirely on the single sex space issue. I’ve spoken or written to my candidates about it. I have leafleted ( not for PoW) on this issue. But I can see quite clearly from those tweets that the PoW candidate is completely out of order and is clearly using the word ‘troon’ as a derogatory term. ‘I smell Troon’. I mean. Jeez.

We should be able to call out prejudiced shit from our own side and this is clearly it.

I will not be scurrying around trying to whip up defenses and justifications for an attitude or language like that.

It's tron in Cornish and we also have a place called Troon

Who are disagreeing tr**n is a slur? kiwifarms? The communities which make use of it don't seem to be the most credible ones.

I looked up cisgender for you on 3 major dictionaries and make a little collage. Notice how none of them describe it as a slur or derogatory (which they will do for words which really are).

The Oxford English Dictionary has one entry for troone as a variant of throne -

Throne. (noun)
.2. b. A ceremonial chair occupied by a pope or bishop. Hence also: the office or position of Pope or bishop...
a1500 (?c1378)
Þe pope sittiþ in his troone & makiþ lordis to kisse his feet.
J. Wyclif, English Works (1880) 457 (Middle English Dictionary)

Referring to someone as a status-enhancing chair doesn't sound so bad really, especially if it means you are seen as important and there's the potential of being a leader and having your feet kissed by random lords. (Am very grateful in these circumstances that my sex precludes me from ever becoming a lord.)

There's also another similar entry for trune, this time involving a platform and a canopy over the important chair.

The differences between Q Celtic and P Celtic is one of my favourite topics of amateur interest, as are the similarities between P Celtic (some Q Celtic) and Hindi words/sounds.

But I’ve learned not to bore DH by talking about it 😏😂

oh no you don't.

If, for eg, you are prattling on about how "troon" is a slur (I agree it is, but some may disagree) and that if you say it's a slur then it jolly well is, so there.

It follows that when we say Cis and TERF is a slur - you can bloody well pin back your lugs and pay attention. Don't use those words when we tell/ask you not to. And then we'll all be friends.

Q: What does 'troon' mean?

A: It is a very hateful slur used on hate sites in an extremely hateful manner. It is a hateful slur.

The word 'hate(ful)' used four times in four sentences. Give me strength.

Yeah?

Like woman:- adult human female.

A Greens candidate got banned for calling JK Rowling a "tired old cow". As much as Rowling isn't my favourite person it was right for the Greens to ban her.

The same should apply to Louise MacDonald who is throwing "tr*n" around, calling a police officer "fragile fck" and appears to still be goading the police and encouraging her followers to do so too. Wouldn't be surprised at all if she's charged for all this.

It's a very hateful slur used against trans people, it's used often on hate sites like 4chan, kiwifarms and more recently on twitter in an extremely hateful manner. And yes MacDonald's use of it has been reported to police.

Not sure where you got that definition from you quoted (kiwifarms?) but it is a hateful slur used against actual trans people.

Grow up. You are being childish and fickle. No woman should be supporting male police officers who use their position to try to silence female political candidates. Go and have a look how many male candidates have used much worse words against women, then report them if you are that bothered. I wouldn't because I am an adult

I'm possibly being thick, as I've actually never heard the word before but why is it transphobic?

If it only applies to people appropriating trans identity not actually trans people, wouldn't 'real' trans people welcome the separation and recognition that the bad/criminal behaviour is not representative of themselves?

Christinapple · Today 00:18

If tr**n was to be added to official dictionaries it would be listed as a derogatory slur. Which btw, cis and cisgender are not.

You may well not be aware, but the judge in Maya Forstater's Employment Appeal Tribunal ruled that TERF is, indeed, a slur. So there you have it, a legal ruling proving that you are wrong. As for "cis," why do you refuse to accept so many people that they find it offensive? Why is it only TEZs and their chums, who get to decide what is and is not offensive?

Noone is above the law...

Really? Why has he (I presume it's a man) got a dispensation to be absolved of legal responsibilities? I thought that even monarchs were not above the law?

My personal view is that I think she should lay off using in-group terms that the majority of the population there won't understand and are perceived badly by her opponents, as I think all candidates should present themselves as serious politicians rather than trolling on Twitter, which is by no means limited to minority parties like POW.

But I don't see any reason for the police to be involved, or that the leaflets constitute malicious communications.

Which raises an interesting question.

Left wing women who feel they cannot vote Labour because of their stance on gender identity (in brief, accepting the belief that womanhood can be a mental attribute, and therefore that male people can at times be considered "women" for the purposes of woman-only protections and opportunities, can be recorded as "women" in official records like crime records, and that any social or informal exclusion of these men from the group of women in language or practice can be considered hateful and may be illegal) are often told to see the bigger picture and vote Labour for the good of society overall.

Can anyone who believes women should overlook Labour's anti-woman bias on gender issues tell me if they apply the same logic to the Workers Party and homophobia? In other words, if someone feels the WP's policies are good ones for the country but feels uncomfortable that the leader has made statements that they find homophobic, should they ignore this one issue in favour of the bigger picture?

If not, why not?

Troon as far as I was aware was a town in Scotland

Or in my family a slang term for trousers

Cis when describing men or women who don’t think they are anything other than the sex they were observed to be at birth which is pretty much everyone bar a few people is an unnecessary word. Only used when someone wants to other the majority of men and women who are not trans

If we have the term trans for that tiny minority of people then I think using the term cis for the majority is really only used as a slur