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Vote for local Tory candidate or spoil vote?

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popsicles2342 · 27/06/2024 09:48

Please can you explain how it works. Looks like the only decent candidate in my area is a Tory. Happens that she's a woman who understands sex-based rights. Labour didn't bother replying and Lib-dem spouted nonsense saying he understood the issue about single sex spaces but also that sex is not binary!

If I vote for the Tory candidate and she wins, will that 1. effectively keep her in (sounds good to me) 2. but also help keep Tories in power (not what I want)

Assuming Labour win, then won't it be ok to at least have a few Tory candidates that fight for sex-based rights? Or does it not work like that? I don't really understand how it all works!

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ScribblingPixie · 28/06/2024 10:16

Same for me @SmugglersHaunt. I think all I have is to spoil my ballot paper and explain to any Labour canvassers why I'm doing it.

Sloejelly · 28/06/2024 10:15

cupcaske123 · 28/06/2024 09:53

What have the Tories done for women in 14 years?

Everyone thought we wouldn't leave the EU. If everyone is voting for the Tories, they'll get back in. Seems logical to me.

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Living In Scotland, they have saved women’s rights. Without them your question would now be meaningless.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/06/2024 10:12

Same sort of situation here @SmugglersHaunt

SmugglersHaunt · 28/06/2024 10:08

I have no idea who to vote for, but I’m in one of the safest Labour seats in the country (inner London). I’ve voted SDP before as they are the only party that understands what a woman is, but they’re not standing this time

DoIhavegreeneyes · 28/06/2024 10:02

This is the time when MN is right about Labour and a landslide I think. The only questions to tease us until next week are about the size of the majority.
Will Tories get 80 or 90 seats? Will LibDems get 45 or 55? Etc,Etc,

cupcaske123 · 28/06/2024 09:53

TrainedByDinosaurs · 28/06/2024 09:50

They won’t get back in, but if they did that’s not the worst outcome for women (former Labour voter)

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What have the Tories done for women in 14 years?

Everyone thought we wouldn't leave the EU. If everyone is voting for the Tories, they'll get back in. Seems logical to me.

TrainedByDinosaurs · 28/06/2024 09:50

cupcaske123 · 28/06/2024 09:32

If everyone votes Tory, which they seem to be doing here, then the Tories will get back in.

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They won’t get back in, but if they did that’s not the worst outcome for women (former Labour voter)

cupcaske123 · 28/06/2024 09:42

Sloejelly · 28/06/2024 09:41

I am sure MN will be pleased that you have so much confidence in their reach.

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I'm sure they will.

Sloejelly · 28/06/2024 09:41

cupcaske123 · 28/06/2024 09:32

If everyone votes Tory, which they seem to be doing here, then the Tories will get back in.

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I am sure MN will be pleased that you have so much confidence in their reach.

Chocolate101 · 28/06/2024 09:34

We will both be voting conservative in this household for many of the reasons listed. Not that I’m impressed with them but I would rather them as the opposition and we are/were in a safe conservative seat

cupcaske123 · 28/06/2024 09:32

TrainedByDinosaurs · 28/06/2024 09:27

I’m voting Conservative, yes I think they are (beyond) awful but it’s a Tory/Lib Dem contest locally and I’d prefer aTory opposition to Lib Dem.

If everyone votes Tory, which they seem to be doing here, then the Tories will get back in.

TrainedByDinosaurs · 28/06/2024 09:27

I’m voting Conservative, yes I think they are (beyond) awful but it’s a Tory/Lib Dem contest locally and I’d prefer aTory opposition to Lib Dem.

Brefugee · 28/06/2024 09:08

I'm always torn in 2. I too have a tory who is a good constituency MP (I asked a few people what they think because I'm an overseas voter)

But in the end i couldn't do it. I had hoped for an Indy or a communist but there were only the main 4. so i held my nose and voted Labour - at least they live in the constituency)

I don't think it is a bad thing to vote for a good local MP.

Sloejelly · 28/06/2024 08:58

urbanbuddha · 28/06/2024 03:31

If you want a Conservative government vote for a Tory.

That’s how it works. It’s not a protest vote.

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No, how it works is if you choose the local candidate who best fits your views and represent them in parliament.

SmudgeHughes · 28/06/2024 08:27

GoodbyeCaroline · 27/06/2024 14:16

I understand where you're coming from op. My Tory candidate says TWAW as far as I know which rules her out anyway. I'm thinking of voting LD with the hope they won't get a significant number of seats as I don't trust them. What a ridiculous situation. I never thought it would be hard to find a candidate who recognised women as female. 😥

The LibDems are wholly captured on gender issues.

SmudgeHughes · 28/06/2024 08:24

Sloejelly · 27/06/2024 16:32

In the debate last night Starmer did say he agrees with safe spaces

Note he said ‘safe spaces’ NOT single sex spaces. Women’s need to privacy and dignity do not count and he thinks mixed sex spaces are ‘safe’ spaces.

I was sure that Starmer said ‘separate’ spaces, not ‘safe’ spaces, in the debate. But it doesn’t matter because he then went on to weaponise the death of Brianna Ghey in a way that was simply crass and opportunistic and sounded like confected outrage.

No one except Streeting on Labour’s front bench seems to have understood the issues, or to have the courage to address them and stand up for women’s hard-won rights to privacy, dignity, safety, language and sports.

dunBle · 28/06/2024 05:49

CreateUserNames · 27/06/2024 17:39

Maybe the next biggest party, to try to get a hung parliament, to balance Labour’s power.

God no. Last thing we need is a Lib Dem tail wagging the Labour Dog.

urbanbuddha · 28/06/2024 03:31

If you want a Conservative government vote for a Tory.

That’s how it works. It’s not a protest vote.

Ednasharples · 28/06/2024 03:14

I’m less certain the tories will lose tbh. What happens if they do win and we’re taken out of the ECHR ?
Law of unintended consequences and all that ?

TempestTost · 27/06/2024 21:49

popsicles2342 · 27/06/2024 16:19

So can we credit Sunak for bringing up the issue in the last few months (against the TRAs in his own party, even if it's just for election purposes)? Which means it's the leader, not the party that's important?

So if Tories get power, but Sunak gone, then hope for opposition against Self-ID etc will vanish.

My ideal scenario would be Labour in (I previously voted Green but they're bonkers now), but with a GC leader, Starmer out. What are the chances of that happening? (Not much I guess)

Hell, this feels more like a betting game than anything else

Why do you think that? I don't think there is any reason to think they'd take a different approach without Sunak.

Sloejelly · 27/06/2024 17:43

CreateUserNames · 27/06/2024 17:39

Maybe the next biggest party, to try to get a hung parliament, to balance Labour’s power.

A hung parliament would be awful - it hands too much power to parties very few people voted for. Just look at what happened with the Greens in Scotland.

CreateUserNames · 27/06/2024 17:39

Maybe the next biggest party, to try to get a hung parliament, to balance Labour’s power.

Hatfullofwillow · 27/06/2024 17:15

popsicles2342 · 27/06/2024 09:48

Please can you explain how it works. Looks like the only decent candidate in my area is a Tory. Happens that she's a woman who understands sex-based rights. Labour didn't bother replying and Lib-dem spouted nonsense saying he understood the issue about single sex spaces but also that sex is not binary!

If I vote for the Tory candidate and she wins, will that 1. effectively keep her in (sounds good to me) 2. but also help keep Tories in power (not what I want)

Assuming Labour win, then won't it be ok to at least have a few Tory candidates that fight for sex-based rights? Or does it not work like that? I don't really understand how it all works!

Tories aren't going to fight for the rights of anyone unless they're employers, landlords or corporations.

Lunde · 27/06/2024 17:06

popsicles2342 · 27/06/2024 10:03

I agree somewhat. But they've also had 3 women prime ministers.

Not sure, but the Labour and Lib dem ones are complete twats.

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Only Thatcher was actually elected PM - who did nothing to help women

May was chosen by the Tories as the compromise candidate to succeed Cameron owing to the factional Brexit squabbling because she was tough on immigrants

Truss was chosen by the Tories amid the Boris Johnson scandal for her promises to follow a right wing agenda of cutting taxes, reducing welfare services and reducing regulation - she favoured abolishing the Human Rights Act,

Sloejelly · 27/06/2024 17:00

So can we credit Sunak for bringing up the issue in the last few months

Tories were the only party to vote against the GRR Bill in 2022 and the Hate Crimes Bill in Scotland in 2021. It was the Tories who stopped the GRR Bill. They commissioned the Cass review in 2020 and backed its recommendations.

However, they also have a few TWAW crazies so watch your candidate. If you have a good Tory candidate then vote for him or her.